Duvduv

The bottom line is that no hard evidence proof exists for the existence of a Marcion or Marcionites or Marcionism in the 2nd century. There is also no evidence that this (unproven) sect ever had any texts related to Christianity, or even that Mr. Justin existed in the 2nd century. This is the bottom line.
The "top line", if you will, is that the new regime that BEGAN early in the 4th century and developed well into the 5th had the MEANS, MOTIVE and OPPORTUNITY to begin developing the new religion for the new empire.

The likelihood of the existence of Marcion and Marcionism is about as likely as the existence of Shi'ism from the alleged dawn of Islam after the alleged death of the Prophet in 632 CE.

stephan huller

You sound very silly

Duvduv

What substantive things can you offer besides insults?

stephan huller

What can you say to someone who [deleted gratuitous insult] is proud of being Jewish and just happens to deny everything said by Christian and Muslim sources and believes even the most incredible thing said by Jewish sources? [even more was deleted]

Duvduv

?????????? Translation into English required.
As far as I can tell you have some cognitive problems here. ALL I questioned was your faith in the unproven church claims of the emergence of Christianity. I am sorry you have taken offense at what you perceive as a challenge to your "faith."

stephan huller

Sorry that's not going to fly here. I am not a Christian. I just don't think that Christians make any better or worse witnesses than anyone people unlike some people at this forum. This is supposed to be a discussion about whether P69 is a fragment of the Marcionite gospel. Please take your hatred of the rest of the human race (= your misunderstanding of what means to be Jewish) somewhere else.

Duvduv

I never said you are a Christian........try again.......
Since you are the Censor for the Thread, explain to us why the existence of Marcion cannot be challenged as it is based on Church claims and nothing else.

stephan huller

It can be and should be in another thread. This thread is dealing with whether the anomalies in P69 are best explain by an association with the Marcionite sect.

Duvduv

However, you cannot ignore the fact that such association depends on the empirically unproven existence of such sect, EVEN in this thread.

TedM

Why do you like this conspiracy kind of thinking when there are reams of papers -- often exceedingly unnecessary and problematic to your theory that suggest otherwise?

My observation is that people that like conspiracies that involve governments have a tremendous distrust of authority. Might THAT not better explain your fringe position, than the actual evidence that DOES exist?