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andrewcriddle · 08-17-2013, 02:29 AM

One problem with regarding the reference to Marcia's Christian sympathies in the epitome as being a late interpolation is that in practice it requires the epitomist to have had access to Hippolytus' work against heresies.

This is improbable; the work seems to have been little known in the medieval church, possibly because it is so very unkind to poor pope Callistus.

Andrew Criddle

stephan huller · 08-17-2013, 06:48 AM

Who said that already? But having Andrew agreeing with you and rendering the same point is always reassuring. Give it up Pete.

Duvduv · 08-18-2013, 08:42 AM

What's even more fascinating is why you have to resort to argumentum ad hominum vis a vis Mountainman instead of sticking to the substance of his arguments.
On the other hand, you too possess dogmatism and religious convictions for your own beliefs. So according to your own view there is no difference between MM and yourself.

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I have to admit I am fascinated by Pete's brain in the sense that it proves that religious people aren't the only ones who hold on to stupid beliefs. For those with an interest in psychology Pete demonstrates that obsession just a product of the ego - he is holding on to something that he thinks is 'his' or perhaps better is him. Pete identifies so strong with his theory he fights tooth and nail pretending he believes in its truthfulness even though he knows in his innermost soul that he's wrong. But this sort of dogmatism is possible in anyone not just religious nuts. It's always been quite fascinating to watch. I never get bored of watching this rat run around in a maze where there is no exit. He just keeps running and running - even though he's been in this maze for twenty years. Still he's convinced there's an exit somewhere he hasn't found yet - this despite the fact he has to walk upon the skeletons of his previous failed attempts almost daily.

stephan huller · 08-18-2013, 10:28 AM

Because there is no rational thought process here [smack-down removed]

Duvduv · 08-18-2013, 10:48 AM

That is your opinion based on what?........but argumentum ad hominem is useless in a discussion.

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Because there is no rational thought process here just a pre-existent hatred of Christianity disguised as a stupid argument

stephan huller · 08-18-2013, 01:51 PM

Demonstrate that you are capable of rational argument. Answer Andrew's point with something substantive:

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One problem with regarding the reference to Marcia's Christian sympathies in the epitome as being a late interpolation is that in practice it requires the epitomist to have had access to Hippolytus' work against heresies.

This is improbable; the work seems to have been little known in the medieval church, possibly because it is so very unkind to poor pope Callistus.

Toto · 08-18-2013, 04:17 PM

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What's even more fascinating is why you have to resort to argumentum ad hominum vis a vis Mountainman instead of sticking to the substance of his arguments.
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This is uncalled for. The substance of Pete's arguments has been demolished time and time again, but he keeps repeating the same claims.

Duvduv · 08-18-2013, 04:24 PM

It is argumentum ad hominem (appearing as sheer snobbery) that is uncalled for, and unless you wish to simply admit that empirically unproven views prevail over any challenges to such views, then just say so.

Say that the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith of the Curia shall determine who is and who is not demolished (usually rather selectively), then this should be specified. And I don't mean the faith of Christianity.

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What's even more fascinating is why you have to resort to argumentum ad hominum vis a vis Mountainman instead of sticking to the substance of his arguments.
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This is uncalled for. The substance of Pete's arguments has been demolished time and time again, but he keeps repeating the same claims.

stephan huller · 08-18-2013, 04:37 PM

You just share a hatred of Christianity in common which makes you look past the weakness of his claims.

Toto · 08-18-2013, 05:09 PM

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It is argumentum ad hominem (appearing as sheer snobbery) that is uncalled for, and unless you wish to simply admit that empirically unproven views prevail over any challenges to such views, then just say so.

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Then come up with a substantial argument to support Pete and/or refute the many substantial arguments raised against him.

If some people lose their temper after years of being unable to get through, that doesn't prove that he was right all along.

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08-17-2013, 02:29 AM	#51
andrewcriddle Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Birmingham UK Posts: 4,876	One problem with regarding the reference to Marcia's Christian sympathies in the epitome as being a late interpolation is that in practice it requires the epitomist to have had access to Hippolytus' work against heresies. This is improbable; the work seems to have been little known in the medieval church, possibly because it is so very unkind to poor pope Callistus. Andrew Criddle

08-17-2013, 06:48 AM	#52
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	Who said that already? But having Andrew agreeing with you and rendering the same point is always reassuring. Give it up Pete.

08-18-2013, 10:28 AM	#54
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	Because there is no rational thought process here [smack-down removed]

08-18-2013, 04:37 PM	#59
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	You just share a hatred of Christianity in common which makes you look past the weakness of his claims.

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