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Theli · 01-11-2002, 10:30 AM

Doesn't it all just come down to credibility?
And science deserves some trust. Seeing how the ideas and theroies of science gets proven by bringing results.
We are sitting at computers aren't we? Mankind DID land on the moon, didn't we?
And isn't that a bigger miracle than Moses parting water?
So if we look at the whole god question from a scientific standpoint... In science a claim must be based on solid proof, reason, logic or experiments to even be considered true.

Any idiot can come up with stories that can't be proven wrong, If I were to say there was a huge intergalactic banana outside the universe that can't be seen, measured or proven (even by reason).
Would that be considered the truth? Before I can call this truth I must make sure there is something that could posibly make it true. And it better be more than someone's testimony or plain superstition.

To debate the existance of god is quite meaningless to say the least. Just as it would be meaningless to debate the existance of my intergalactic banana. If someone would come to the conclution that my theories are false, I can just change them without anything to base the change on.
By saying something like... "The intergalactic banana exists in another dimension. A dimension that noone but I can see"
And we are back where we started.

How does the fact that many people believe in the christian god, or allah gives them more credibility than my intergalactic banana?
Isn't it true that most major religions throughout history has recieved power by force? By war? By promises of heaven if you follow their rules and their god, and threats of hell if you don't.
Humans are superstitious, gullible and worst of all scared. And they get even worse when there's more of them.

Here's a new thing for you to debate... The existance of my intergalactic banana!

GunnerJ · 01-11-2002, 10:47 AM

Technically speaking, an intergalactic banana is a testable entity; all we have to do is observe intergalactic space and see if any types of produce are floating around in it. Finding, say, an intergalactic Brussel sprout would lend credibility to the idea of there being a theoretical intergalactic banana.

Theli · 01-11-2002, 11:21 AM

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Originally posted by Rimstalker:
Technically speaking, an intergalactic banana is a testable entity; all we have to do is observe intergalactic space and see if any types of produce are floating around in it. Finding, say, an intergalactic Brussel sprout would lend credibility to the idea of there being a theoretical intergalactic banana.

Hey! Didn't I just tell you that the banana can't be "seen, measured or proven (even by reason)"?
How can you disprove it if you can't measure it?

And if you find a way I always have the "other dimension" theory to lay back at. Plus I might have some more tricks up my sleeve.
HAHAHAHA!!! I might just convert to theism, it's so easy!!!

Theli · 01-11-2002, 11:32 AM

"intergalactic Brussel sprout" you say?

The intergalactic Brussel sprout" also exists, I just realized. And it's evil! Everyone that contradict my Intergalactic banana and don't follow it's holy laws is in leauge with the brussel and will forever boil in the infernal stew.

Am I a theist now?

DarkBronzePlant · 01-11-2002, 01:38 PM

Just throw in a few more gems, like your intergallactic banana insist that I love it or I'll become brown and squishy for all eternity, or that I should be forced to say the "Intergallactic banana is good, intergalactic banana is great...: chant before every meal, or that the intergallactic banana says that I cannot buy wine on Sundays, then I'll be properly motivated to debate its existence.

(Edited because it's spelled "its", not "it's", bananadammit!)

[ January 11, 2002: Message edited by: DarkBronzePlant ]

GunnerJ · 01-11-2002, 01:53 PM

But, if it exists in intergalactic space it can't be in "another dimention." Say, does this banana want me to eat my hot dogs in any particular way? Because some nuts just stopped at my house and wanted me to stop my bunless, cut-wienered kraut-eating, and I showed them the door!

Theli · 01-11-2002, 01:54 PM

Something else that I could add was that the banana is watching everything that you do and think and that "he" will judge you for it.
Now that would really throw those who believe in it into submission and ensure obedience.

All it really need is alot of people to believe in it, to be called "truth".

Theli · 01-11-2002, 02:06 PM

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Originally posted by Rimstalker:
But, if it exists in intergalactic space it can't be in "another dimention."

Oh, that... I changed my mind.

The great banana's nature is alittle hard to interpret. Seeing how it IS in fact a supernatural being.

Quote:

Say, does this banana want me to eat my hot dogs in any particular way? Because some nuts just stopped at my house and wanted me to stop my bunless, cut-wienered kraut-eating, and I showed them the door!

You better pray while eating it, just in case.
But stay away from the evil Brussel sprout.
Don't let temtations like nutritious vitamins lead you astray. Remember the infernal stew! All brussel eaters will some day end up there, I swear!

But if you stick with the divine law of the interg... I mean "Interdimensional" (??) banana and I promise you will live forever in the big freezer in the sky where youth will last forever.

Datheron · 01-11-2002, 03:48 PM

Ah, the great intergalactic phallic symbol.

All you need now is to claim its existence to be axiomic and then rule that no one else has the authority to even question its existence...

Oh, wait; that sounds like Christian Presuppositionism. Whoops, nevermind.

Theli · 01-12-2002, 04:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Datheron:
Ah, the great intergalactic phallic symbol.

All you need now is to claim its existence to be axiomic and then rule that no one else has the authority to even question its existence...

Oh, wait; that sounds like Christian Presuppositionism. Whoops, nevermind.

Yes, of course. And because if they question it they must base the doubt on a standard higher than the intergalactic banana and NOTHING is higher than the banana!

Moahahahah!!!!

It's pretty easy to use the holes in human logic to claim the existance of a mythical being.

01-11-2002, 10:30 AM	#1
Theli Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 2,567	The Intergalactic banana! Doesn't it all just come down to credibility? And science deserves some trust. Seeing how the ideas and theroies of science gets proven by bringing results. We are sitting at computers aren't we? Mankind DID land on the moon, didn't we? And isn't that a bigger miracle than Moses parting water? So if we look at the whole god question from a scientific standpoint... In science a claim must be based on solid proof, reason, logic or experiments to even be considered true. Any idiot can come up with stories that can't be proven wrong, If I were to say there was a huge intergalactic banana outside the universe that can't be seen, measured or proven (even by reason). Would that be considered the truth? Before I can call this truth I must make sure there is something that could posibly make it true. And it better be more than someone's testimony or plain superstition. To debate the existance of god is quite meaningless to say the least. Just as it would be meaningless to debate the existance of my intergalactic banana. If someone would come to the conclution that my theories are false, I can just change them without anything to base the change on. By saying something like... "The intergalactic banana exists in another dimension. A dimension that noone but I can see" And we are back where we started. How does the fact that many people believe in the christian god, or allah gives them more credibility than my intergalactic banana? Isn't it true that most major religions throughout history has recieved power by force? By war? By promises of heaven if you follow their rules and their god, and threats of hell if you don't. Humans are superstitious, gullible and worst of all scared. And they get even worse when there's more of them. Here's a new thing for you to debate... The existance of my intergalactic banana!

01-11-2002, 01:38 PM	#5
DarkBronzePlant Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: San Francisco, CA USA Posts: 3,568	Just throw in a few more gems, like your intergallactic banana insist that I love it or I'll become brown and squishy for all eternity, or that I should be forced to say the "Intergallactic banana is good, intergalactic banana is great...: chant before every meal, or that the intergallactic banana says that I cannot buy wine on Sundays, then I'll be properly motivated to debate its existence. (Edited because it's spelled "its", not "it's", bananadammit!) [ January 11, 2002: Message edited by: DarkBronzePlant ]</p>

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01-11-2002, 10:47 AM	#2
GunnerJ Banned Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: a place where i can list whatever location i want Posts: 4,871	Technically speaking, an intergalactic banana is a testable entity; all we have to do is observe intergalactic space and see if any types of produce are floating around in it. Finding, say, an intergalactic Brussel sprout would lend credibility to the idea of there being a theoretical intergalactic banana.

01-11-2002, 11:32 AM	#4
Theli Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 2,567	"intergalactic Brussel sprout" you say? The intergalactic Brussel sprout" also exists, I just realized. And it's evil! Everyone that contradict my Intergalactic banana and don't follow it's holy laws is in leauge with the brussel and will forever boil in the infernal stew. Am I a theist now?

01-11-2002, 01:53 PM	#6
GunnerJ Banned Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: a place where i can list whatever location i want Posts: 4,871	But, if it exists in intergalactic space it can't be in "another dimention." Say, does this banana want me to eat my hot dogs in any particular way? Because some nuts just stopped at my house and wanted me to stop my bunless, cut-wienered kraut-eating, and I showed them the door!

01-11-2002, 01:54 PM	#7
Theli Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 2,567	Something else that I could add was that the banana is watching everything that you do and think and that "he" will judge you for it. Now that would really throw those who believe in it into submission and ensure obedience. All it really need is alot of people to believe in it, to be called "truth".

01-11-2002, 03:48 PM	#9
Datheron Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Berkeley, CA Posts: 553	Ah, the great intergalactic phallic symbol. All you need now is to claim its existence to be axiomic and then rule that no one else has the authority to even question its existence... Oh, wait; that sounds like Christian Presuppositionism. Whoops, nevermind.

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