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Godless Dave · 10-24-2002, 09:40 AM

They can't both be true. How do you know which one is?

ManM · 10-24-2002, 10:12 AM

From <a href="http://www.religioustolerance.org/zoroastr.htm" target="_blank">religioustolerance.org</a>:

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The universe will go through three eras:
creation;

the present world where good and evil are mixed. People's good works are seen as gradually transforming the world towards its heavenly ideal;

and a final state after this renovation when good and evil will be separated.

The second point is not very believable, as this world does not appear to be moving toward any heavenly ideal. Christianity teaches that this world is fallen and is moving toward destruction. In the light of recent history, this looks much more accurate to me.

muon · 10-24-2002, 10:20 AM

Actually, people live longer nowadays than ever. The planetary murder rate is at its all-time low. Slavery has been outlawed virtually everywhere. Overall, people are wealthier and healthier than ever before. When I think about Jim Crow, the Inquisition, the burgeoning environmentalist movement, the spread of democracy, etc., it's hard to escape the conclusion that moral conscience has made great strides too in the last couple of hundred years.

It seems just plain false to me that the world is moving towards destruction.

Godless Dave · 10-24-2002, 10:53 AM

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Originally posted by ManM:
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Christianity teaches that this world is fallen and is moving toward destruction. In the light of recent history, this looks much more accurate to me.</strong>

Norse mythology teaches the same thing. So why not that?

Bible Humper · 10-24-2002, 11:03 AM

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Norse mythology teaches the same thing. So why not that?

Let's be honest, because they were taught Christianity instead of Norse Paganism while they grew up. No other reason, evidence is irrelevant.

ManM · 10-24-2002, 11:16 AM

oser,
Take off the rose colored glasses. Yes, there have been great strides in some areas, but you cannot forget that we just emerged from a tremendously bloody century. This one isn't getting off to a good start either.

Godless Dave,
I do not know much about Norse mythology, but my methodology will remain the same. Go ahead and give me a Norse interpretation of the world. If there is a logical contradiction, I will toss your mythology out immediately. If not, I will simply judge which theory explains my observations of the world more accurately.

K · 10-24-2002, 11:22 AM

ManM:

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I do not know much about Norse mythology, but my methodology will remain the same. Go ahead and give me a Norse interpretation of the world. If there is a logical contradiction, I will toss your mythology out immediately.

But you won't do the same for your myth. Why the double standard?

ManM · 10-24-2002, 11:36 AM

K,
I do not know of a logical contradiction in my beliefs.

Bible Humper · 10-24-2002, 12:45 PM

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I do not know of a logical contradiction in my beliefs.

<snicker>

<a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=45&t=001300" target="_blank">Come to this thread questioning the believability of Jesus being the incarnation of an omnimax deity. It seems strange that an omnimax deity who values belief in himself above all else appeared to a mere 500 people during his incarnation!</a>

<a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=45&t=001274" target="_blank">Here is a related thread which I authored personally, asking why Jesus didn't fly.</a>

<a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=50&t=000641" target="_blank">In this one, I question the free will defense, and it's use explaining the problem of evil and the deity's refusal to directly intervene in the world.</a>

Since there are no logical contradictions in Christianity, my arguments in these links will be a snap to answer!

K · 10-24-2002, 12:48 PM

ManM:

So then I assume you must believe that God is not omnibenevolent or that nobody goes to Hell.

Also, you certainly can't believe in the Trinity if you want to avoid logical contradictions.

Or are you really saying that there is a different standard for logical contradictions in Christianity than in other religions?

10-24-2002, 09:40 AM	#1
Godless Dave Contributor Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: With 10,000 lakes who needs a coast? Posts: 10,762	Why Christianity? Why not Zoroastrianism? They can't both be true. How do you know which one is?

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10-24-2002, 10:20 AM	#3
muon Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 1,767	Actually, people live longer nowadays than ever. The planetary murder rate is at its all-time low. Slavery has been outlawed virtually everywhere. Overall, people are wealthier and healthier than ever before. When I think about Jim Crow, the Inquisition, the burgeoning environmentalist movement, the spread of democracy, etc., it's hard to escape the conclusion that moral conscience has made great strides too in the last couple of hundred years. It seems just plain false to me that the world is moving towards destruction.

10-24-2002, 11:16 AM	#6
ManM Veteran Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: NW Florida, USA Posts: 1,279	oser, Take off the rose colored glasses. Yes, there have been great strides in some areas, but you cannot forget that we just emerged from a tremendously bloody century. This one isn't getting off to a good start either. Godless Dave, I do not know much about Norse mythology, but my methodology will remain the same. Go ahead and give me a Norse interpretation of the world. If there is a logical contradiction, I will toss your mythology out immediately. If not, I will simply judge which theory explains my observations of the world more accurately.

10-24-2002, 11:36 AM	#8
ManM Veteran Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: NW Florida, USA Posts: 1,279	K, I do not know of a logical contradiction in my beliefs.

10-24-2002, 12:48 PM	#10
K Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,485	ManM: So then I assume you must believe that God is not omnibenevolent or that nobody goes to Hell. Also, you certainly can't believe in the Trinity if you want to avoid logical contradictions. Or are you really saying that there is a different standard for logical contradictions in Christianity than in other religions?

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