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ksagnostic · 01-03-2002, 09:09 PM

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Originally posted by RufusAtticus:
"Laryngeal" is an adjective meaning "relating to the larynx."

I am quite aware of that.

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Clearly, You Betcha doesn't understand what he frothing about.

-RvFvS

I am quite aware of that as well. But when I read his post, I couldn't resist baiting him on it. Usually I resist the urge to respond to creationist trolls, because well, you just end up...

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Orpheous99 · 01-04-2002, 03:13 AM

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Originally posted by Synaesthesia:


I, personally, cannot think of a more literal test of self-awareness. I don�t see how it gives a good notion at all of the recursive cognitive capacity of a creature.

It is a very good indication of the level of intelligence an animal has. The vast major of animals don't see themselves in the mirror, they see another animal and react to it as a threat. If an animal, like humans, chimps, and the like, can process that it is indeed their own relection than we can see that they are sentient.

Mageth · 01-04-2002, 09:41 AM

I would say that an animal recognizing itself in a mirror is an indication that the animal posesses some (perhaps fairly high) level of self-awareness, but an animal not recognizing itself in a mirror is not necessarily proof of a lack of self-awareness.

HRG · 01-04-2002, 10:22 AM

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Originally posted by You Betcha:


Mutations and natural selection do not prove evolution. They prove creation as undeniably factual.

Creation does not have a problem with animals changing through mutations and natural selection, but mutations and natural selection have never turned one kind of animal into another kind,

Sure - because there is only one kind on Earth: organisms.

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and they do not increase information to form an eye or any other complex structure. Mutations are a loss of genetic information.

Ridiculous. Every new DNA sequence which arises through a mutation is new information.

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The fact is that the explanation for the origin of life and the universe by Creation is scientific and the one Evolution gives is not.

What repeatable experiment has been performed to show that life and matter can form naturally? Thanks.

WHat repeatable experiment has been performed to show that anything can form supernaturally ?

HRG.

faded_Glory · 01-04-2002, 11:12 AM

YouBetcha,

If you are seriously interested in a formal debate with ps418 on Flood geology, please drop me an email so we can set it up. You can find my email address in my header.

Thanks,

faded_Glory, moderator of the Formal Debates and Discussion Forum.

Oolon Colluphid · 01-04-2002, 12:03 PM

< Oolon stirs from post-New-Year alcohol haze >

Whuhhh... Did someone mention the laryngeal? The nerve that powers the larynx... and which, on its route from one side of the neck to the other, passes down into the chest, under the aorta, and back up again to the throat... even in giraffes...?

Care to explain that one, Mr Betcha? It's a standard-issue feature of all mammals... are all mammals the same kind then, or is your hypothesised creator an incompetent dork?

A very big 'cheers!', Oolon

Orpheous99 · 01-04-2002, 02:17 PM

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Originally posted by Mageth:
I would say that an animal recognizing itself in a mirror is an indication that the animal posesses some (perhaps fairly high) level of self-awareness, but an animal not recognizing itself in a mirror is not necessarily proof of a lack of self-awareness.

Maybe not, but it would be below the level to consider it sentient though.

Mageth · 01-04-2002, 02:21 PM

Maybe not, but it would be below the level to consider it sentient though.

How so?

ksagnostic · 01-04-2002, 04:41 PM

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Originally posted by Oolon Colluphid:
< Oolon stirs from post-New-Year alcohol haze >

Whuhhh... Did someone mention the laryngeal? The nerve that powers the larynx... and which, on its route from one side of the neck to the other, passes down into the chest, under the aorta, and back up again to the throat... even in giraffes...?

Care to explain that one, Mr Betcha? It's a standard-issue feature of all mammals... are all mammals the same kind then, or is your hypothesised creator an incompetent dork?

A very big 'cheers!', Oolon

Ohhhh, is that what he was referring to? Well, Viva Las Vagus!

Orpheous99 · 01-05-2002, 03:08 AM

Originally posted by Mageth:

How so?

Its the difference between being self aware and being aware of self.

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01-04-2002, 09:41 AM	#183
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	I would say that an animal recognizing itself in a mirror is an indication that the animal posesses some (perhaps fairly high) level of self-awareness, but an animal not recognizing itself in a mirror is not necessarily proof of a lack of self-awareness.

01-04-2002, 11:12 AM	#185
faded_Glory Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Cairo, Egypt Posts: 1,128	YouBetcha, If you are seriously interested in a formal debate with ps418 on Flood geology, please drop me an email so we can set it up. You can find my email address in my header. Thanks, faded_Glory, moderator of the Formal Debates and Discussion Forum.

01-04-2002, 12:03 PM	#186
Oolon Colluphid Contributor Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Alibi: ego ipse hinc extermino Posts: 12,591	< Oolon stirs from post-New-Year alcohol haze > Whuhhh... Did someone mention the laryngeal? The nerve that powers the larynx... and which, on its route from one side of the neck to the other, passes down into the chest, under the aorta, and back up again to the throat... even in giraffes...? Care to explain that one, Mr Betcha? It's a standard-issue feature of all mammals... are all mammals the same kind then, or is your hypothesised creator an incompetent dork? A very big 'cheers!', Oolon

01-04-2002, 02:21 PM	#188
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	Maybe not, but it would be below the level to consider it sentient though. How so?

01-05-2002, 03:08 AM	#190
Orpheous99 Banned Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Nova Scotia, Canada Posts: 1,258	Originally posted by Mageth: How so? Its the difference between being self aware and being aware of self.

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