PerhapsItsTruth

I find this forum an absolute hilarity because I watch as people go back and forth saying this and that and all in between of why, or why not, a god can, or cannot, exist. The reason why I find it hilarious is that neither person can prove with irrefutable proof that a god does indeed exist or not. You have the atheist that gives his evidence. You have the believer that gives his evidence. But the sad thing about it all is that no matter what evidence is given from either side, no matter how "convincing" it may be, we still let our faith (yes, faith) get the better of us. An atheist has his faith and strong belief that he is right in his opinion, as does the believer. Besides, something that you cannot see and cannot "test" by scientific means cannot be proven to be or not to be. In the end, I just find all this rather humorous, and sad, as I watch all the ignorant give their reasons while still getting absolutely nowhere. Post on, 'Infidels', post on.


-Perhaps...

Gooch's dad

Hmmm....and do you have 'faith' that leprechauns and unicorns and faeries don't exist? Santa Claus too? What about pink rhinos on the moons of Jupiter?

I rather doubt you believe in any of those entities. And I rather doubt that you find your disbelief to be based on 'faith'. The default position is lack of belief, like it or not.

Cheers!

-Kelly

Muad'Dib

I'm glad it entertains you. The Humor forum is my personal favorite, but it's helpful to find something you enjoy watching.

To the best of my knowledge neither side actually claims to do this.

Don't forget the women believers and unbelievers!

Of course people believe their own opinions. They wouldn't have those opinions if they didn't.

Do leprechauns exist? Why or why not? Discuss.

People differ on what constitutes "getting somewhere." Some might describe your recent post as "getting absolutely nowhere."

We surely will, and believers are welcome to post as well.

PerhapsItsTruth

Well it’s very nice to meet you, Kelly. Actually, if you would have read completely what I said, you would see it reading as this, "An atheist has his faith and strong belief that he is right in his opinion." Now if you lack the belief that your opinion is right, then you just contradict yourself all over the place, don't you? And along with the other "entities" you mentioned, I never said they couldn't exist. I wouldn't know, now would I? Since, of course, I'm not all knowing and haven't been all over every square inch of the world, or the universe for that matter. Assumptions don't work too well, now do they?

-Perhaps...

PerhapsItsTruth

It is helpful indeed.
They do, actually. I hear it from either side all the time.
I haven't.
Exactly.
Couldn't say yes or no to that one. I don't know everything, and I haven't been everywhere at all times.
I wouldn't doubt it.
Rock on.

-Perhaps...

Gooch's dad

Perhaps, you seriously think you have to examine the entire universe before *lacking* a belief in something? You are actually agnostic about the existence of pink rhinos on the moons of Jupiter?

Maybe you should read this essay by Richard Carrier on whether it really is impossible to prove a negative, for starters.

The Christian God is supposed to have certain properties, and interact with the universe in certain ways (as described in the bible). If those properties aren't observed, then the Christian God can quite fairly be said to not exist.

Welcome to the SecWeb, by the way

-Kelly

Family Man

I don't think you're grasping the concept. Our opinion is that, given the lack of evidence for gods of any sort, belief in such isn't justified. We don't lack belief in our opinion; we lack belief in gods.


So you're saying that the existence of God is as likely as the existence of leprechauns or pink rhinos on the moons of Jupiter?

Yes, I'd be very careful with your assumptions if I were you, because perhaps it's not truth.

Muad'Dib

Where in this forum did that happen? It's been a long while since anyone here has claimed to have absolutely conclusive proof that God exists.

Or is your complaint directed not specifically at this forum, but the general idea of arguing over the existence of God?

From a strict epistemological standpoint, it's obvious that nobody can know anything with certainty (though you may make allowances for, say, your own existence). The issue discussed in this forum, though not explicitly described in these terms, is: is there sufficient reason (where reason can be sensory input, a logical argument, or whatever) to affirm--not as a true and certain fact, necessarily--that there is a deity of some kind?

PerhapsItsTruth

Sure, that's logical. But then, you have to give your evidence of how those properties are truly not being observed. Then, you have to take into account of whether God does them in the way that you look for them, or if he does them in how he himself sees fit. True? For example, if someone says to me, or I read somewhere that you're a nice person, yet you aren't nice in how I see nice as being, then I wouldn't think that you were nice. But just because I saw it in the wrong light doesn't mean you're not nice, just means I didn't look at it in the right way, doesn't it?

-Perhaps...

PerhapsItsTruth

Well then, if there is no absolute proof God does not exist, why take the stance that he surely doesn't? You then become just as the believer, you have your stance by faith.

-Perhaps