gilly54

In the SAB contradiction thread, Magus55 posts:

Harmony? Hmmm...

1. Who first came to the tomb on Sunday morning? a. one woman (John 20:1) b. two women (Matt. 28:1) c. three women (Mark 16:1) d. more than three women (Luke 23:55-56; 24:1,10)

2. She (they) came a. while it was still dark (Matt. 28:1; John 20:1) b. after the sun had risen (Mark 16:2)

3. The woman (women) came to the tomb a. to anoint the body of Jesus with spices (Mark 16:1-2; Luke 24:1) b. just to look at it (Matt. 28:1; John 20:1)

4. The women had obtained the spices a. on Friday before sunset (Luke 23:54-56; 24:1) a. after sunset on Saturday (Mark 16:1)

5. The first visitor(s) was/were greeted by a. an angel (Matt. 28:2-5) b. a young man (Mark 16:5) c. two men (Luke 24:4) d. no one (John 20:1-2)

6. The greeter(s) a. was sitting on the stone outside the tomb (Matt 28:2) b. was sitting inside the tomb (Mark 16:5) c. were standing inside the tomb (Luke 24:3-4)

7. After finding the tomb empty, the woman/women a. ran to tell the disciples (Matt. 28:7-8; Mark 16:10; Luke 24:9; John20:2) b. ran away and said nothing to anyone (Mark 16:8)

8. The risen Jesus first appeared to a. Mary Magdalene alone (John 20:14; Mark 16:9) b. Cleopas and another disciple (Luke 24:13,15,18) c. Mary Magdalene and the other Mary (Matt. 28:1,9) d. Cephas (Peter) alone (1 Cor. 15:4-5; Luke 24:34)

9. Jesus first appeared a. somewhere between the tomb and Jerusalem (Matt. 28:8-9) b. Just outside the tomb (John 20:11-14) c. in Galilee - some 80 miles (130 Km) north of Jerusalem (Mark 16:6-7) d. on the road to Emmaus - Miles (11 Km) west of Jerusalem (Luke 24:13-15) e. we are not told where (Mark 16:9; 1 Cor. 15:4-5)

There are 9 more multiple choice questions like this, but I think the point has been made...

judge

Hi there!

We can start with question one if you like.

1. Who first came to the tomb on Sunday morning? a. one woman (John 20:1) b. two women (Matt. 28:1) c. three women (Mark 16:1) d. more than three women (Luke 23:55-56; 24:1,10)


Can you show me where Sunday is mentioned in each of these scriptures? The problem here seems that you are incorrectly saying all these scriptures mention Sunday....

Mageth

I believe the scriptures in question all mention "the first day of the week" (corresponding to Sunday), the day after the Sabbath (corresponding to Saturday).

Butters

Yea well, you would think...

gilly54

If this minor point, Sunday or not Sunday, is the sort of nitpick you are going to use to attack my post showing how inconsistent and contradictory the NT is, I think it is pretty flimsy.

Just leave out the "Sunday" then. Does that make it more more consistent and "harmonious"?

judge

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We can start with question one if you like.
1. Who first came to the tomb on Sunday morning? a. one woman (John 20:1) b. two women (Matt. 28:1) c. three women (Mark 16:1) d. more than three women (Luke 23:55-56; 24:1,10)


Can you show me where Sunday is mentioned in each of these scriptures? The problem here seems that you are incorrectly saying all these scriptures mention Sunday....

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If this minor point, Sunday or not Sunday, is the sort of nitpick you are going to use to attack my post showing how inconsistent and contradictory the NT is, I think it is pretty flimsy.

Just leave out the "Sunday" then. Does that make it more more consistent and "harmonious"?

Judge:
It is not a minor point. If there was a midweek sabbath day then you must scrub the first question, or at least re-do it. Why do you believe that all sabbaths were sundays?

godfry n. glad

No shabbat was ever Sunday. Shabbat begins Friday at nightfall and lasts through Saturday at sundown. No Sundays, ever.

If you have information on a "midweek Sabbath", I'd like to hear it.

godfry

keyser_soze

I took out the answers, made them into test questions and gave them to my wife(who is lukewarm christian), her and a friend took the quiz. I then gave them the answers....They were delighted to have scored 100% by not being wrong a single time! But as Becky put it(her friend, my cousin) "I don't know many details". To which I replied...."Most christians are in the same boat, otherwise they'd be atheists/agnostics like me". At least they had a sense of humour about it.

judge

Godfrey:
No shabbat was ever Sunday. Shabbat begins Friday at nightfall and lasts through Saturday at sundown. No Sundays, ever.

If you have information on a "midweek Sabbath", I'd like to hear it.

godfry

Judge:
Woops my bad Guess I'll have to wear the hairshirt again today. (hope there are no SDA's here). Saturday of course.
Here is a link proposing midweek sabbaths. There is another thread here discussuing this as well, apparently the idea has a long history.
http://www.redbay.com/ekklesia/3daynite.htm

godfry n. glad

No shabbat was ever Sunday. Shabbat begins Friday at nightfall and lasts through Saturday at sundown. No Sundays, ever.

If you have information on a "midweek Sabbath", I'd like to hear it.

godfry

Um... Judge? The site you've provided is a Christian site that asserts that "the beginning of the high day sabbath (Passover) which began at sunset (6pm)."

This is Christian nonsense, as far as I can tell. Passover (Pasech) is an eight-day observance of the deliverance from bondage in Egypt. The beginning day is not a shabbat, unless it falls on Saturday. Saturday, the last day of the week, is shabbat. It is possible that Pasech could have two shabbat, if it began on Saturday and ended on Saturday. Just because it is a holy day (a holiday), even a high holy day, doesn't make it a shabbat.

What this looks like is Christian invention of a midweek shabbat to make their fairy tale work.....

If you can provide me a Jewish site that can provide definitive evidence that a "midweek shabbat" existed in 1st century CE Judea, I'll reconsider. But what you've provided is compost, at least as far as providing a reliable foundation for a "midweek sabbath".

(And, yes, for Jewish liturgical purposes, each and every day begins at sundown.)

godfry

(and, please, get the name right if you reproduce it...I'm a case-sensitive kinda guy)