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Duck! · 05-17-2003, 03:51 PM

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Originally posted by Tarnaak
Having explored this forum for a while now, it is obvious to me that atheists just don't get it. They (atheisists) are not chosen by God (at this point anyway) and just can not comprehend things of the Spirit.

By this logic, then we're perfectly justified in believing what we do. If we haven't been chosen by God yet and can't comprehend "things of the Spirit", then you can't expect us to be anything other than religious skeptics.

Do you think that this post is gonna change our minds? Your post isn't gonna make God "choose" us any sooner is it?

Duck!

Sabine Grant · 05-17-2003, 04:06 PM

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Originally posted by Godot
I spoke with a jewish friend last night. What's your point?

Sure, one could say something like that, but one doesn't have to. Besides, there is no proof that your one jew ever really existed. He's a mythological figure cobbled together shamelessly from other religion myths. Get over it.

I have no reason to " get over it". I am content with Christ's teachings. That you prefer to deny the existence of Christ is your right and your choice. Mine is a different choice.

By the way... even if you could prove that Christ never existed as described in the Gospels.... I would still value his teachings in terms of human behavior.

Shadowy Man · 05-17-2003, 04:28 PM

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Originally posted by Tarnaak
Having explored this forum for a while now, it is obvious to me that atheists just don't get it. They (atheisists) are not chosen by God (at this point anyway) and just can not comprehend things of the Spirit.

The Bible says that one is saved by Faith in Jesus. ...

It is only the testimony of others that can lead one to God.

So, can Jews not be close to God because they don't have faith in Jesus? Do Jews not get it either? Do you lump them in the same category as atheists?

How about the Muslims? Or the Hindus?

A Buddhist might say that your reliance on your belief in Jesus is actually miring you in Samsara and preventing you from attaining Nirvana. A good Bodhisattva might want to lead you in the right direction.

missus_gumby · 05-17-2003, 04:33 PM

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Originally posted by Sabine Grant
I am content with Christ's teachings.

And what would they be exactly? You seem not to be aware that most of the teachings attributed to the Jesus figure in the NT are documented in pre-Christian philosophies and religions. However, the major unique teaching by this Jesus figure is quite telling isn't it? You know, the one about infinite punishment for finite misdemeanours: the threat of an eternity in Hell.

Martin

NonHomogenized · 05-17-2003, 07:10 PM

If that's your final answer, then unless the question was "What idiotic tripe are you gullible enough to believe?", I fully expect that it was a non-sequitor.

Spaz · 05-17-2003, 07:20 PM

Sure, whatever. If God wants me to believe in him then he'll show me in a way that will convince me. If I believed crazy shit that people say that easy then I'd be huddled in a corner my entire life scared of monsters, vampires, aliens, serial killers, what have you. It's just plain stupid to buy into something that doesn't genuinely convince you.

Starboy · 05-17-2003, 07:22 PM

Is there a bible thumping smiley that unabashed proselytizers like Tarnaak could use? After all, why should we have all the fun?

Starboy

schu · 05-17-2003, 07:29 PM

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Originally posted by Sabine Grant
I have no reason to " get over it". I am content with Christ's teachings. That you prefer to deny the existence of Christ is your right and your choice. Mine is a different choice.

By the way... even if you could prove that Christ never existed as described in the Gospels.... I would still value his teachings in terms of human behavior.

Yea, he said something to the effect "Believe in me or I'll send you to hell." Some teachings, some human behavior!

Tenek · 05-17-2003, 10:09 PM

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Originally posted by Tarnaak
Having explored this forum for a while now, it is obvious to me that atheists just don't get it. They (atheisists) are not chosen by God (at this point anyway) and just can not comprehend things of the Spirit.

The Bible says that one is saved by Faith in Jesus.
Faith is hope in things not seen.
Since you (atheists) can not sense it with one of your HUMAN senses, things of the spirit are not real to you. So Sad.

It is only the testimony of others that can lead one to God. Yes lead. Even those who are chosen must be led. For how would they know they were chosen if they were not led to God? This is the purpose of God's people, to lead others to him.

The Scripture says "all are called, but few will follow". This is the best example of what is free will and predestination. Another way to say it is "all are chosen, but few will chose".

There is at least one person who this message is meant for, otherwise I would not be writing it. Yes, I know. Sounds like a spooky Christian trick, huh? Well it is. It's a trick on the ruler of this earth!

If you have felt a tug on your heart, this message is for you....

Thats my final answer.

That's all right. I'll think of you when I'm burning in Hell for all eternity. I'm terribly sorry that God doesn't like me, but hey, nothing I can do now except wear my filthy, filthy rags.

I suppose I can't comprehend the Spirit. Which could make sense either because I'm incapable of doing so, or because there's nothing to comprehend.

I have no faith in Jesus. I am entirely ready to accept an eternity of hellfire for not being stupid enough to believe for no particularly good reason. At least it would be a moral victory, something religion seems short on - after all, what purpose does morality have but to lead away from obeying (insert thing to obey here)?

Tenek · 05-17-2003, 10:12 PM

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Originally posted by Defiant Heretic
But what's the question?

What do you get when you multiply six by nine?

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05-17-2003, 07:10 PM	#15
NonHomogenized Veteran Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: no longer at IIDB Posts: 1,644	If that's your final answer, then unless the question was "What idiotic tripe are you gullible enough to believe?", I fully expect that it was a non-sequitor.

05-17-2003, 07:20 PM	#16
Spaz Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: 6th Circle of Hell Posts: 1,093	Sure, whatever. If God wants me to believe in him then he'll show me in a way that will convince me. If I believed crazy shit that people say that easy then I'd be huddled in a corner my entire life scared of monsters, vampires, aliens, serial killers, what have you. It's just plain stupid to buy into something that doesn't genuinely convince you.

05-17-2003, 07:22 PM	#17
Starboy Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Tallahassee, FL Reality Adventurer Posts: 5,276	Is there a bible thumping smiley that unabashed proselytizers like Tarnaak could use? After all, why should we have all the fun? Starboy

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