Tarnaak

Having explored this forum for a while now, it is obvious to me that atheists just don't get it. They (atheisists) are not chosen by God (at this point anyway) and just can not comprehend things of the Spirit.

The Bible says that one is saved by Faith in Jesus.
Faith is hope in things not seen.
Since you (atheists) can not sense it with one of your HUMAN senses, things of the spirit are not real to you. So Sad.

It is only the testimony of others that can lead one to God. Yes lead. Even those who are chosen must be led. For how would they know they were chosen if they were not led to God? This is the purpose of God's people, to lead others to him.

The Scripture says "all are called, but few will follow". This is the best example of what is free will and predestination. Another way to say it is "all are chosen, but few will chose".

There is at least one person who this message is meant for, otherwise I would not be writing it. Yes, I know. Sounds like a spooky Christian trick, huh? Well it is. It's a trick on the ruler of this earth!

If you have felt a tug on your heart, this message is for you....

Thats my final answer.

chiron64

Do I detect a contradiction here? Taking lessons in rhetoric from your bible, I see.

JCS

Is this another faith vs the evidence statement. Theist just can not comprehend a life without an imaginary benefactor, they just don't get it.

Like my faith that christianity will die out in my childrens life time?

Actually, I find it sad that you have to cling to old superstitions while ignoring reality right in front of your face.

So how do those that lead know that the ones they are leading are the chosen ones. If they know, why don't those that are chosen know? Seems like the circular approach to me. (believe then you will believe)

So which is it? Free will or predestination?

What does George Bush have to do with this?

Doctor says it was just gas.

Damn and I forgot the question.

Yellum Notnef

So when exactly will the Jews be coming to speak with us?

I ate Pascal's Wafer

Too bad Christians just cannot comprehend things of reality, eh?

It's sad that you are sensing the presence of imaginary friends as if they were real entities. You might look into getting that checked out. Being convinced that your imaginary friend is a real entity could be something that medication can fix.

Why are you trying to lead us, then? Didn't you already say that we are not chosen by God? If that's the case, then you are wasting your time. If we really are chosen by God, then you lied in your first paragraph.

Could you elaborate on this point? It certainly seems that free will and predestination are mutually exclusive.

This is creepy. "Gawd is telling me that somebody out there wants to hear me, and I'm going to track them down day and night until I find them."

That's creepy too.

Bzzzt. Nope, you're wrong. The final answer is 42. Do not pass go, do not collect $200. Try again later.

-Nick

Born Free

Sorry I didn't feel a tug on my heart at all. Why the sad smilie?? Why would you feel sorry or sad for me??? Because I'm an atheist??? I'm not sad, in contrast I feel sorry for you. Honestly I do. I can live my life free from the restraints of religion, organised or not. I am happy and perfectly at peace with myself.

You on the other hand have the worry of the rest of the un saved world on your shoulders.

Wouldn't you like to try the other side of the coin??? Just to see what it's like?? I and many others have done just that and here we all are, facing up to the realities of life and getting along just fine.

Sabine Grant

well... one could say that one jew already spoke to us.

Defiant Heretic

But what's the question?

Godot

I spoke with a jewish friend last night. What's your point?


Sure, one could say something like that, but one doesn't have to. Besides, there is no proof that your one jew ever really existed. He's a mythological figure cobbled together shamelessly from other religion myths. Get over it.

Godot

That's a nice strawman you're building! I love being patronised, thanks!

The buybull also tells us that the earth is flat, the universe was created in six days ~6000 years ago, that snakes and asses can talk, that the sun stood still for a day, amongst many other silly things. How can you be certain which parts to believe and which parts to reject? If it's fallible in some respects, how can you be sure of its validity in others?
Yes, your superiority complex is quite sad. Are you suggesting that you as a theist possess a non-human sense to detect the spirit world?

And testimonials are soooo valid for proving the worth of a product. Can you say quackery?
If all must be led, who leads the leaders? Gets a bit circular here doesn't it? How do they know they're being led to god and not the devil? Can't they be deluded?

As mentioned by others above, which is it? Free will or predestination? They are mutually exclusive occurences.

If you're so certain of this, perhaps you'd be willing to name this person. Was it revealed to you by god herself? Sounds like shameless self-agrandisement to me. What does the IPU have to do with this topic of yours? Besides, an appeal to a non-existent authority hardly does your line of reasoning any justice.

The only time I expect to feel a tug on my heart is during my autopsy if I'm not quite dead yet.

What was the question?