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Old 04-14-2003, 09:16 AM   #1
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Default History ch. had a documentory about Angels

It was called Angels: good or evil.

Of course Satan was an angel, so it went into that a lot. Did you know that the original Hebrew bible had no mention of Satan?

It also decribed Job as being the first book of the bible, not Genesis.

My girlfriend said the churches are 100% incorrect on the bibles time-lines and this show fixed everything! She is even more upset that they not only did her church teach a BS faith, it was taught wrong!

She then told me that churches would even say that a PHD of Harvard Divinity University professor was wrong about the bible, so it still would not change anything.
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The OT was rearranged by the Christians to be in the order that you know it. The bible that the Jews use is closer to the original.

A really good read on this is Jack Miles (Pulitzer Prize Winning) book GOD a biography.
According to Miles, Job is the oldest book and it is written in such a strange form because it is actually a play meant to be acted on the stage.
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It was called Angels: good or evil.

I must have missed it, but it sounded like it might be interesting, I'll have to keep an eye out for it in the future.-

Of course Satan was an angel, so it went into that a lot. Did you know that the original Hebrew bible had no mention of Satan?

Actually Satan appears in the OT as Ha Satan or the adversary. His role is more that of Ha Shem's prosecuting attorney than as some form of ultimate evil.

It also decribed Job as being the first book of the bible, not Genesis.

I have read that it is the oldest book in the OT, so it would be the first in that sense. I don't think it was ever the first book as far as they way the books were originally compiled, but I'm not certain.
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This weekend, I actually heard a Christian fundie on the radio, on a program railing against evolution with the same old tired arguments, claim that Genesis was the "first words written by Man" and claim that Adam was the Author (of the first bit, anyways; Moses apparently picked up the slack for the later chapters).
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...Adam was the Author

Q. What do Adam and Laura Ingalls Wilder have in common?
A. They both wrote about themselves in the third person.
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Default Re: History ch. had a documentory about Angels

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Did you know that the original Hebrew bible had no mention of Satan?
Satan appears in atleast Job and Chronicles. Similarly most Christians would alledge (based on what Revelation says) that the snake in Genesis was Satan.

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It also decribed Job as being the first book of the bible, not Genesis.
Job may have been the first written. The books of the Bible are grouped according to categories, not according to the order in which they were written.

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My girlfriend said the churches are 100% incorrect on the bibles time-lines and this show fixed everything!
I have zero idea what she is talking about.
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I have zero idea what she is talking about.
I'm not sure either. She started crying a little when the show was over. I don't know the bible like she does. She kept saying, "now that makes all the sense in the world!"

I guess she was confused based on the 'way' she was taught. She says that her entire outlook on the history of humans was totally incorrect. Not only did they tell her she came from a cursed human race, the chronology of what they taught her was wrong as well. That was her point.

1) The church/parents were incorrect about the origin of life
2) The church/parents told her the stories in the bible all backwards.

The documentary solved the latter.
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I have to give kudos to the History Channel. Whenever they cover Biblical history and archaeology they do so in a very balanced and non-offensive manner. Their documentaries on ancient history played a big role in my deconversion.

-Mike...
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I have to give kudos to the History Channel. Whenever they cover Biblical history and archaeology they do so in a very balanced and non-offensive manner.
I agree. The angels program was really good. So was their fascinating program on gods and goddesses last summer. I love the History channel!
 
 

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