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abe smith · 01-03-2003, 06:55 AM

I don't see why the Vatican (inventors of the fiction ="The Roman Catholic Church") and other "Christian" groups are getting their knickers in a twist about (alleged) human reproductive cloning? After all, it is "Roman Catholicism" which has perpetuated the early human MYTHS of "gods"s impregnating human females to produce divine male saviours and other supermen.
Before the Pope starts a big fat razzledazzle against human cloning (whether it's already been accomplished or not), he'd better bloody get on the stick and admit that that damnfool dogma of the Virgin Birth of Their Lord is a LIE.
To begin w/, as I keep reiterating, any kid born of an unimpregnated human mother, without a human male father's intervention, would have to be a FEMALE (clone of its Mother) because 's NO WAY it could have the MALE Y chromosome necessary to make it a (= defective) human male.
Mary of Nazareth's alleged kid HAD a human MALE Father, if the kid was a MALE; or else, if it did not ever HAVE a HUMAN MALE Father, it = Jesus of nazareth, has to have been a FEMALE, like her Mother.
Answer this, Joe Ratsinger.

SmartBlonde57 · 01-03-2003, 11:52 AM

Given my years of Catholic school brainwashing (yes, I'm over it), and years of debating theists, I'll bet I can predict the most popular theist answers for these excellent questions:

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Originally posted by abe smith
[B]I don't see why the Vatican (inventors of the fiction ="The Roman Catholic Church") and other "Christian" groups are getting their knickers in a twist about (alleged) human reproductive cloning?

Because supposedly only God is justified in creating human life. Who are we to "play God"?
(Yeah, I know, there's the doctor/medicine thing, but somehow that's "different". :banghead: )

Additionally, there's a soul-related issue in there. (If God doesn't create the kid, does it still have a God-given soul? etc.)

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Before the Pope starts a big fat razzledazzle against human cloning (whether it's already been accomplished or not), he'd better bloody get on the stick and admit that that damnfool dogma of the Virgin Birth of Their Lord is a LIE.

Please don't hold your breath.

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To begin w/, as I keep reiterating, any kid born of an unimpregnated human mother, without a human male father's intervention, would have to be a FEMALE (clone of its Mother) because 's NO WAY it could have the MALE Y chromosome necessary to make it a (= defective) human male.

"With God, all things are possible."

The Lone Ranger · 01-03-2003, 06:08 PM

Actually, I've always wondered how Christians rationalized the fact that Jesus [assuming he existed, which is rather unlikely, in my opinion] was a male.

Did God inject some divine sperm into Mary's womb?

Cheers,

Michael

snoiduspoitus · 01-03-2003, 08:58 PM

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Originally posted by The Lone Ranger
Did God inject some divine sperm into Mary's womb?

Cheers,

Michael

It's a package deal. Along with virgin births, you get water-walking, talking asses, and Lazerus freaking people out.

SmartBlonde57 · 01-04-2003, 03:55 PM

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Originally posted by The Lone Ranger
Actually, I've always wondered how Christians rationalized the fact that Jesus [assuming he existed, which is rather unlikely, in my opinion] was a male.

Did God inject some divine sperm into Mary's womb?

Ours is not to question the ways of The Lord, darlin'. <sigh>

SmartBlonde57 · 01-04-2003, 03:56 PM

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Originally posted by snoiduspoitus
It's a package deal. Along with virgin births, you get water-walking, talking asses, and Lazerus freaking people out.

Yeah. Lots of talking asses.
<giggle>

Mad Kally · 01-04-2003, 05:02 PM

"Have child like faith in the Lord" "Don't ask questions that our puny minds can't understand!"

P.S. Don't forget the talking snakes...

SmartBlonde57 · 01-05-2003, 05:38 AM

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Originally posted by Mad Kally
P.S. Don't forget the talking snakes...

Yeah. Think of the Freudian implications.

The Admiral · 01-11-2003, 07:22 AM

Vatican's twisted knickers

I always wondered what he wore under those robes. I thought it might be Mormon funny underware.

The Admiral

SmartBlonde57 · 01-11-2003, 03:13 PM

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Originally posted by The Admiral
I always wondered what he wore under those robes.

Ask an altar boy.

01-03-2003, 06:55 AM	#1
abe smith Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: springfield, MA. USA Posts: 2,482	Vatican's twisted knickers I don't see why the Vatican (inventors of the fiction ="The Roman Catholic Church") and other "Christian" groups are getting their knickers in a twist about (alleged) human reproductive cloning? After all, it is "Roman Catholicism" which has perpetuated the early human MYTHS of "gods"s impregnating human females to produce divine male saviours and other supermen. Before the Pope starts a big fat razzledazzle against human cloning (whether it's already been accomplished or not), he'd better bloody get on the stick and admit that that damnfool dogma of the Virgin Birth of Their Lord is a LIE. To begin w/, as I keep reiterating, any kid born of an unimpregnated human mother, without a human male father's intervention, would have to be a FEMALE (clone of its Mother) because 's NO WAY it could have the MALE Y chromosome necessary to make it a (= defective) human male. Mary of Nazareth's alleged kid HAD a human MALE Father, if the kid was a MALE; or else, if it did not ever HAVE a HUMAN MALE Father, it = Jesus of nazareth, has to have been a FEMALE, like her Mother. Answer this, Joe Ratsinger.

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The Lone Ranger Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Eastern U.S. Posts: 1,230	Actually, I've always wondered how Christians rationalized the fact that Jesus [assuming he existed, which is rather unlikely, in my opinion] was a male. Did God inject some divine sperm into Mary's womb? Cheers, Michael

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Mad Kally Banned Join Date: May 2001 Location: LALA Land in California Posts: 3,764	"Have child like faith in the Lord" "Don't ask questions that our puny minds can't understand!" P.S. Don't forget the talking snakes...

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