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Old 04-07-2002, 06:39 AM   #1
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A question after reading the evolution into
watermelons thread.
If fundamentalist christians do not believe in evolution, how do they explain the transformation into a higher form of life or being after death?
It would seem the transformation into heavenly beings is evolution at it's finest.
After death the life form evolves from it's present residence inside the body to a higher and more pure existence.
It would then be perfectly rational to point out that life after death is the purest form of evolution.
To discard the unwanted traits of the body in favor of pure energy or light is evolution.
Maybe someone can answer this question for me.
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That could be called evolution, I suppose, but that wouldn't be natural selection, which is what genetic Evolution is all about.

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From what I've heard from other Christians (and what I learned when I myself was a Christian) there is not transformation after death. Only Christ experienced the "true" transformation, as he was a human going back into God-form.

If I remember correctly, the transformation will not take place until Christ comes back a second time to claim all the righteous for their heavenly home. Then, for the first time, the condition of the body will match the condition of the soul (i.e. since everyone being "called home" is redeemed, the body will be perfect).

Of course - this is what I remember, I could be wrong.
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<strong>From what I've heard from other Christians (and what I learned when I myself was a Christian) there is not transformation after death. Only Christ experienced the "true" transformation, as he was a human going back into God-form.

If I remember correctly, the transformation will not take place until Christ comes back a second time to claim all the righteous for their heavenly home. Then, for the first time, the condition of the body will match the condition of the soul (i.e. since everyone being "called home" is redeemed, the body will be perfect).

Of course - this is what I remember, I could be wrong.</strong>
No you are correct Bree, I simply forgot about the Kingdom of god on earth, it gets confusing at times because I read so much about religions they all are generic to me.
I forget that fundamentalist christians say there will be only 144,000 taken to heaven.
Everybody else has to wait till the kingdom is reestablished on earth and the dead rise up.
Ugly scene like a George Romero movie.
Night of the Living Dead.........
True though Eudaimonist that the concept is not natural selection, natural selection would more than probably result in a much improved body not necessarily a totally different form.
Too many star trek episodes and science fiction stories.
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Old 04-07-2002, 04:18 PM   #5
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If I remember correctly, the transformation will not take place until Christ comes back a second time to claim all the righteous for their heavenly home. Then, for the first time, the condition of the body will match the condition of the soul (i.e. since everyone being "called home" is redeemed, the body will be perfect).

Of course - this is what I remember, I could be wrong.</strong>
Good point Bree and it is actually true that you wrote. The only problem is that for Christians this "second time" is supposed have occured for them on a personal level and that there will not be another time after they die.

That is why it is not wise to call yourself a Christian if you are not because that would be like doing Herod's dirty work for him and kill your own firstborn.

Conversely, if for many Catholics (saints by definition) this second coming has been a real life event should this not be proof that there will not be a universal second coming to look forward to by self made Christians?
 
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I was just reading through the posts on this thread without looking at the authors and when I reached:

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That is why it is not wise to call yourself a Christian if you are not because that would be like doing Herod's dirty work for him and kill your own firstborn.
I said "what tha hell?!" and started to think really hard about what was being said... until I looked over to the left and saw the name.
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