JonathanChance

Jet Grind

He never gives a clear example of any of this "bigoty and persecution" that Christians are enduring. Of course if he had to he'd probably find some obscure event in some local or state government and put it up as a national crisis. Talk about paranoid and delusional.

dirkduck

"But no such provision appears in the Constitution or any of the foundational documents"

Establishment clause? Given its not exactly the same wording as "seperation of church and state", but has the same idea.

copernicus

According to Mr. Pape, large numbers of Americans have ceased to exist. There are no liberals who are christians, nor are there conservatives who support secular government. Everyone on the left opposes christianity, including well-known reverends such as Martin Luther King, Jr., and Jesse Jackson. He even makes reference to Jefferson's famous letter to the Danbury Baptist Association, without, of course, mentioning who the letter was addressed to. The only people who exist in Mr. Pape's America are liberal leftist christian-haters and the persecuted defenders of God. The sad thing is that so many of us let ignorant people like Pape define the issues.

Mageth

The principle is found only in one of Thomas Jefferson's letters, and referred, not to the exclusion of religious people from government, but to the protection of religion from governmental interference.

Well, no the principle of Church and State is not found only in one of TJ's letters. There are numerous court decisions that cite the principle, for example.

I think one could safely substitute "Christian" where this guy uses "religion", as I'm pretty sure he really does not wish to extend the right of religious people mucking about in government to Moslems or those of other faiths.

Further, no one wants to exclude religious people from government; all we want is to keep them from asserting their relgion through their positions in government, which is exactly what the First Amendment intends.

scigirl

Ok in the spirit of Queen of Swords:

Since we all know that they all spew the same religious nonsense in order to get re-elected.
And since very few U.S. schoolchildren can correctly identify America on a map, I can get away with re-defining the term as I wish.
They were also terrified at people who wrote with missing prepositions (or as Microsoft Word calls it, “Verb Confusion,” having any power in the government.
You know, like the Berlin wall, or that great wall over in Asia somewhere. See – walls are bad!
I know this, because I have read as much of these documents as most Christians have read the Bible.
Because we all know that this country was founded by a bunch of politicians who couldn’t enforce their religion onto the masses. Oh wait. . . maybe it was the other way around, I can’t remember.
Yes, we should never re-interpret the constitution or add things to it based on new knowledge or advances in our society. They should have kept it the way it was, back when darkies and women couldn’t vote. Those damn liberal bastards!
Only qualified individuals should be allowed to believe they have god-like status. In fact, this is one of the agencies we would create if we could ever get Christians into office – “Administration for dictating who can act like God and who can’t.”
And since all Christians have the exact same concept of God, it is very easy to spot who’s against it.
I would quote this evidence, but it seems to be misplaced. Perhaps I accidentally stuck it the “evidence that UFOs have taken over the country” file or even “homeopathic drugs all work great.”
Yes I know it’s hard to believe that they found the time to do this, since they were so busy causing the World Trade Center tragedy, but it’s true.

I mean, the ACLU – what an evil organization! Yes I know we have proven that the Bill of Rights is directly inspired from the Ten Commandments and that’s why we can post the 10C in all the courtrooms. But do we really need to enforce the Bill of Rights – isn’t reading it to 5th grade classrooms enough?

New agers – those crystals they buy are really secret WMD. Don’t believe me – go into one of those freaky hippie stores – they’re freaky!

One-Worlders – I mean really, who in their right mind thinks there is only one world?

And since we allow women to work now, and sometimes they even get paid, what is the feminist’s problem?

Don’t even get me started on how a loving, committed relationship between two consenting males or females is totally destroying our country’s values – isn’t it obvious?

And last but not least, those godless politicians. If I hear the President of the United States say “Darwin” or “Pascal’s Wager” one more time I’m going to vomit. Is he trying to force his godless atheism down my throat or just trying to piss me off?
In related news, what is the deal with those Muslim people – don’t they know the Koran is totally out of date, full of contradictions, and not a great way to find morality? Anyway, back to the infallible Bible...
Why don’t they just follow our example of “Do Unto Others?” like our great and wise Christian leaders like Fred Phelps and Jerry Falwell? I mean - what better time and place to educate a family about homosexual deviancy than at their own son's funeral?
Just because Churches are the best tax-free shelter that exists, this doesn’t mean that the government shouldn’t spend more tax dollars protecting them.

I mean, every day you learn about a new church being censured or shut down. Ever notice a Church billboard, or a “Jesus loves you” road sign? Well sure you see them everywhere but that doesn’t mean that we aren’t a minority. We are a minority and we are being censored! (except when we want to be a majority to pass a bunch of religious-inspired laws).
We all know that the dumbest form of argument is to mention Hitler. So I’m only going to mention Goebbels, a lesser known Nazi, to prove my point.
It must be – look at all of the people who have been ousted from office because they believe in God.

scigirl

Timmreck

This list of arguments best articulates the war against Christianity that has been going on in the United States for some time:

http://www.infidels.org/misc/humor/lioaca.html


ps. I love this

Radcliffe Emerson

It seems to me over the centuries the persecution this article speaks of has come from Christians against everyone else, not as this article claims.
For example, Christians started the Muslim/Crusades conflict when Richard the Lionhearted murdered Muslim prisoners (men, women and children) in cold blood during the Crusades. Muslims had hardly paid any attention or cared about Christians until the Christian idiots attacked them to win back the holy lands.
It's always been claimed that people over the centuries have always tried to burn bibles and destroy it that way. But far more instances of fanatical Xtians burning non-Xtian books is more in evident also.


I can't believe the double-standards Xtians use to promote or defend their myths and delusional ideas.

Mageth

Muslims had hardly paid any attention or cared about Christians until the Christian idiots attacked them to win back the holy lands.

Well, I wouldn't go quite that far. The Muslim took Jerusalem from the Christian Byzantines in 638 C.E. The Islamic Moors invaded Christian Spain in the 8th Century C.E. Much of the territory overrun by Islam in its early centuries was at least partially Christian.

But, at the time of the initiation of the first Crusade in the 11th Century, things were relatively quiet between the two war-religions.

Born Free

Ironically, those protesting the loudest against hate, intolerance and bigotry are usually the first ones to practice hate, intolerance and bigotry toward Christians.


He's got to be joking....

Hate - Fred Phelps

Intolerance - Anyone not a christian gets the witnessing treatment from christians

Bigotry - See Hate