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Sue Sponte · 02-07-2003, 12:26 AM

Assuming a God exists, isn't it equally plausible that God would frown upon those who blindly follow the writings of MAN in an effort to know him? Might heaven be limited to those who DO NOT follow the conscripts of a religious text, but rather use the intellectual gifts that he granted you?

I've always found this question fascinating, and it can be phrased many ways. For example, if God indeed took part in the creation of the bible, might it not be a test by him to find those who REJECT, rather than accept, the concepts contained therein? Might he want you to INHERENTLY UNDERSTAND that he would never want a father to be willing to sacrifice his son for any reason?

Your thoughts.

NightWatchman · 02-07-2003, 03:06 AM

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Originally posted by Sue Sponte
Assuming a God exists, isn't it equally plausible that God would frown upon those who blindly follow the writings of MAN in an effort to know him? Might heaven be limited to those who DO NOT follow the conscripts of a religious text, but rather use the intellectual gifts that he granted you?

I've always found this question fascinating, and it can be phrased many ways. For example, if God indeed took part in the creation of the bible, might it not be a test by him to find those who REJECT, rather than accept, the concepts contained therein? Might he want you to INHERENTLY UNDERSTAND that he would never want a father to be willing to sacrifice his son for any reason?

Your thoughts.

The bible says in revelations.

The whore who made the earth drunk with the wine of her fornication is a city thats surrounded by seven hills.

its rome and it means religion.

Yes God hates religion

excreationist · 02-07-2003, 03:22 AM

What about this?

Ephesians 5:24-29

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Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church.

I suppose God could secretly hate churches and religion, and just encouraged it as a trick.

Gemma Therese · 02-07-2003, 03:53 AM

God asks us to think, but to surrender our logic ... to use our mental capacity not so much to reason this and that, but to recognize we will never reach Him with our mind alone.

Gemma Therese

HelenM · 02-07-2003, 04:39 AM

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Originally posted by Sue Sponte
I've always found this question fascinating, and it can be phrased many ways. For example, if God indeed took part in the creation of the bible, might it not be a test by him to find those who REJECT, rather than accept, the concepts contained therein? Might he want you to INHERENTLY UNDERSTAND that he would never want a father to be willing to sacrifice his son for any reason?

Your thoughts.

That would imply a rather devious, tricky, God.

But then, maybe that's what most people here think Christian theology implies, anyway...

Helen

Novowels · 02-07-2003, 04:45 AM

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Originally posted by Gemma Therese
God asks us to think, but to surrender our logic ... to use our mental capacity not so much to reason this and that, but to recognize we will never reach Him with our mind alone.

Gemma Therese

yes. you must also use your wallet.

Marduk · 02-07-2003, 05:08 AM

"Does God Hate religion"

I would think so , having to listen to all those dreadful hymns and sermons and prayers from all over the world would drive me nuts anyway. Not to mention being associated with Pat Robertson and Osama Bin Laden and the rest of their kind.

Ojuice5001 · 02-07-2003, 08:06 AM

Sue Sponte,

It's not either-or. What about people who use both their reason and human mythology? I consider myself, and numerous Christians, to be in such a position. I would think the gods would be most approving to those who used their reason and the nonrational factors in religious knowledge. After all, assuming god(s) created us, they must have created both reason and faith.

But I can tell you are implying that reason and faith are contradictory. Well, when it comes to Christian faith, I agree.

Dr Rick · 02-07-2003, 08:11 AM

If he does, God and I have something in common...

Rick

Radorth · 02-07-2003, 08:45 AM

Yes, God does hate any religion which even implies that our puny works and human efforts can achieve salvation. Religion advocates such and thus prevents people from knowing God's will, i.e. "abundant life." Christianity should not be called a religion, in spite of our heroic efforts to make one out of it. It requires only that we are "willing to be made willing." Good works which are not the direct offshoot of faith, or the work of the Spirit himself, are called "dead works."

Because of religious people, we hear Jesus saying "Blessed are the righteous, for they shall be filled." This is a huge lie IMO and I will die exposing it I suppose.

The law is nothing more than "schoolmaster." It is God holding up a mirror. God long ago gave up on anyone actually obeying it. Unfortunately some people decided they were. Jesus preached the SOTM because people needed to look in a better mirror which would show them their hearts. When Finney, a "good man" looked into it, all he saw was a filthy pride and self-righteousness.

Ironically, the Bible is a test, not of blind obedience, but to distinguish incorrigible legalists and holy hypocrites from those who truly "thirst for righteousness."

Rad

02-07-2003, 12:26 AM	#1
Sue Sponte Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: west Posts: 1,213	Does God Hate Religion? Assuming a God exists, isn't it equally plausible that God would frown upon those who blindly follow the writings of MAN in an effort to know him? Might heaven be limited to those who DO NOT follow the conscripts of a religious text, but rather use the intellectual gifts that he granted you? I've always found this question fascinating, and it can be phrased many ways. For example, if God indeed took part in the creation of the bible, might it not be a test by him to find those who REJECT, rather than accept, the concepts contained therein? Might he want you to INHERENTLY UNDERSTAND that he would never want a father to be willing to sacrifice his son for any reason? Your thoughts.

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Dr Rick Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: USA Posts: 5,393	Does God Hate Religion? If he does, God and I have something in common... Rick

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Gemma Therese Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: new york Posts: 608	God asks us to think, but to surrender our logic ... to use our mental capacity not so much to reason this and that, but to recognize we will never reach Him with our mind alone. Gemma Therese

02-07-2003, 05:08 AM	#7
Marduk Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: the 10th planet Posts: 5,065	"Does God Hate religion" I would think so , having to listen to all those dreadful hymns and sermons and prayers from all over the world would drive me nuts anyway. Not to mention being associated with Pat Robertson and Osama Bin Laden and the rest of their kind.

02-07-2003, 08:06 AM	#8
Ojuice5001 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: A city in Florida that I love Posts: 3,416	Sue Sponte, It's not either-or. What about people who use both their reason and human mythology? I consider myself, and numerous Christians, to be in such a position. I would think the gods would be most approving to those who used their reason and the nonrational factors in religious knowledge. After all, assuming god(s) created us, they must have created both reason and faith. But I can tell you are implying that reason and faith are contradictory. Well, when it comes to Christian faith, I agree.

02-07-2003, 08:45 AM	#10
Radorth Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,872	Yes, God does hate any religion which even implies that our puny works and human efforts can achieve salvation. Religion advocates such and thus prevents people from knowing God's will, i.e. "abundant life." Christianity should not be called a religion, in spite of our heroic efforts to make one out of it. It requires only that we are "willing to be made willing." Good works which are not the direct offshoot of faith, or the work of the Spirit himself, are called "dead works." Because of religious people, we hear Jesus saying "Blessed are the righteous, for they shall be filled." This is a huge lie IMO and I will die exposing it I suppose. The law is nothing more than "schoolmaster." It is God holding up a mirror. God long ago gave up on anyone actually obeying it. Unfortunately some people decided they were. Jesus preached the SOTM because people needed to look in a better mirror which would show them their hearts. When Finney, a "good man" looked into it, all he saw was a filthy pride and self-righteousness. Ironically, the Bible is a test, not of blind obedience, but to distinguish incorrigible legalists and holy hypocrites from those who truly "thirst for righteousness." Rad

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