FRDB Archives

Freethought & Rationalism Archive

The archives are read only.


Go Back   FRDB Archives > Archives > IIDB ARCHIVE: 200X-2003, PD 2007 > IIDB Philosophical Forums (PRIOR TO JUN-2003)
Welcome, Peter Kirby.
You last visited: Today at 05:55 AM

 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 12-18-2002, 03:18 PM   #1
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Louisville KY
Posts: 40
Red face mods, delete this extra post. my apologies!

[ December 18, 2002: Message edited by: Polar Bear ]

[ December 18, 2002: Message edited by: Polar Bear ]</p>
Polar Bear is offline  
Old 12-18-2002, 04:25 PM   #2
Regular Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Florida, USA
Posts: 104
Post

Quote:
1. When God created the angels, did he know that Lucifer (Satan) would rebel? If so, why did he let it happen? Free will?
This a complicated question, mostly because you seem to be assuming that the Bible presents a consistent narrative of the character of satan. Like most Biblical concepts the idea of Satan evolved slowly over time.

It may surprise you to learn that Satan is almost completely absent from the Old Testament. Instead, we find that it is god who creates both good and evil, who renders both reward and punishment. The passages that most Christians apply to Satan (Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28) are, in fact, concerned with completely different entities.

One of the very few times that Satan is mentioned is in the early part of Job, where he is said to be one of the 'ben El', i.e. the Sons of God. These were not angels, as many suppose, but were in fact the literal Sons of God. The phrase is used consistently in Ugaritic literature of the Canaanite pantheon, of which El was the Father. In this sense, then, Satan is presented as one of the gods, who acts somewhat independently, but is still ultimately under the control of El himself.

Over time, Satan emerged in Jewish folk religion as a powerful being in his own right, the author of all things evil, and the relentless opponent of God. This change, however, took place in inter-testamental times - as a result, the New Testament presents what appears to be a completely different character. His origin is not explained.

Quote:
2. Is Satan the cause of all evil in the world?
No. According to the old testament, that honor belongs to god himself (Isaiah 45:7). In the New Testament, Satan is said to be the 'Father of Lies', but the exact meaning of that phrase is not explained.

Quote:
3. Do Satan and God work together, or are they implacable enemies? That may seem like a silly question, but it seems like some people think of Satan as doing a job for God: punishing sinners and running Hell. If Satan was truly an enemy of God, why would he help God out by punishing God's enemies?
See above.

Quote:
4. Is Hell a place where Satan and his demons are punished, or is it a realm in which they rule?
Hell is not mentioned in the Old Testament (the word usually tanslated 'hell' is in fact the hebrew word for 'grave' or 'death'). In the New Testament, the only clue is that hell is said to have been prepared 'for the devil and his angels' (Matthew 25:41) Outside of the Gospels and Revelations, there is very little mention of hell.

Quote:
5. Who made Hell and why?
See above.

Quote:
6. If Satan is an eternal adversary, and God is omniscient and omnipotent, wouldn't Satan be aware of the futility of opposition? Why would Satan seek to struggle against an unbeatable foe?
Since the concept of Satan is completely man-made, there is no guarantee of consistency or rationale.
semyaza is offline  
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 07:53 PM.

Top

This custom BB emulates vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.