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Cojana · 05-13-2003, 07:28 AM

Christainity takes a view that christ was brutally murdered for, in part for a sacraficial lamb for atonement for thier sins, I ask you how Moral can this be? Jesus was a Moral man inbedded in immorality,the cross,, how can one accept Jesus death as payment for one's sins? I see it as the epitome of Greed and hypocricy,anyone accepting Jesus death as sacraficial for them are not worthy,they are selfish,Greedy individuals, they are commiting 3 of the deadly unforgivable sins,Greed,Vanity.and selfishness, Immoral to the core,.. :notworthy

Darth Dane · 05-13-2003, 08:40 AM

Christainity takes a view that christ was brutally murdered for, in part for a sacraficial lamb for atonement for thier sins, I ask you how Moral can this be? Jesus was a Moral man inbedded in immorality,the cross,, how can one accept Jesus death as payment for one's sins? I see it as the epitome of Greed and hypocricy,anyone accepting Jesus death as sacraficial for them are not worthy,they are selfish,Greedy individuals, they are commiting 3 of the deadly unforgivable sins,Greed,Vanity.and selfishness, Immoral to the core,..

Hehehehehe :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

Yes, how can anyone live with themselves that jesus died for them, but they are perhaps not ready to die for Jesus in the same manner i.e. turning the other cheek.

Another beautiful captured inconsistency with the bible's version of the events.

DD - Love Spliff

Pyrrho · 05-13-2003, 02:43 PM

I think that the whole thing is very silly. Why would any decent God require such a thing, or be happy about it? Wouldn't it be better to just forgive people, rather than to torture an "innocent man/god" as a substitute for other people being tortured? What kind of example is that for us to follow?

Darth Dane · 05-13-2003, 03:50 PM

I think that the whole thing is very silly. Why would any decent God require such a thing, or be happy about it? Wouldn't it be better to just forgive people, rather than to torture an "innocent man/god" as a substitute for other people being tortured? What kind of example is that for us to follow?

Yes, the top of teh pyramid "dictates" what the rest oif teh pyramid can see as an example of living.

Should we conclude that Jesus didn't die on the cross for our Sins per se, but rather that was teh interpretation of someone who wanted to have power, He who speaks on teh behalf of God surely is a powerfull man!

Jesus wanted so much to share Love, that he was ready to die for HIS conviction on how the smartest way to Live should be, and so Jesus was One with His God, namely the God of Love and forgiveness, Jesus asked up unto the heavens to "Be Love" and God gave him what he asked for, but that conviction was a hard way to follow, to turn your cheek at every turn and so on.

Could it be?

DD - Love Spliff

Paperstreet · 05-13-2003, 05:32 PM

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Originally posted by Darth Dane

Jesus wanted so much to share Love, that he was ready to die for HIS conviction on how the smartest way to Live should be, and so Jesus was One with His God, namely the God of Love and forgiveness, Jesus asked up unto the heavens to "Be Love" and God gave him what he asked for, but that conviction was a hard way to follow, to turn your cheek at every turn and so on.

Could it be?

Its a shame Christianity stole his god, and claimed it as their own.

I don't think he really wanted power through death, I think he was what you said later in your post, he truly was one with his own god. Dieing for a cause takes more then faith. (believe it or not) It takes true enlightenment.

Cojana · 05-14-2003, 05:01 AM

There are another presentation that christainity displays,the image of christ inbedded on the cross, are tantamount to displaying your son with a the gaping wound that killed him,, sofication are a terrible way to die,this are how Jesus are carried around one's neck,..it are Ghoulish, plain and simple,...

Darth Dane · 05-14-2003, 05:02 AM

Its a shame Christianity stole his god, and claimed it as their own. It is isn't it?

I don't think he really wanted power through death,

Maybe teh power to do good for those who ask!?

Dieing for a cause takes more then faith. (believe it or not) It takes true enlightenment.

So those willing to do terrorist acts and dieing for the cause(whatever it is) are truly enlightened?

DD - Love Spliff

The Other Michael · 05-14-2003, 10:51 AM

This seems to be leaning more towards the General Relgious Discussion fora, so I'm going to push it on over there.

cheers,
Michael
MF&P Moderator (Maximus)

Cojana · 05-14-2003, 11:02 AM

The reason Jesus was allowed to be murdered was so that God,in a phychotic tantrum could punish the Jews for them deserting Jesus, and punish them God did, Hitler was just a tool that God used in the Halocaust, 'ye shall be scattered throughout Europe','ye shall be prosecuted', or somewhere along those lines,God are one mean mother-fucher...

Cojana · 05-15-2003, 07:21 AM

God allowed Jesus to be brutally murdered by crucifixtion,so that it could punish The Jews for deserting him, and punish, it did,. Hitler was the tool God used to punish Jews, The Halocaust was premeditated long before it happened, God amusses itself with perversion, God are one mean motherfucher,...

05-13-2003, 07:28 AM	#1
Cojana Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Reseda, California Posts: 651	Immorality to Jesus memory Christainity takes a view that christ was brutally murdered for, in part for a sacraficial lamb for atonement for thier sins, I ask you how Moral can this be? Jesus was a Moral man inbedded in immorality,the cross,, how can one accept Jesus death as payment for one's sins? I see it as the epitome of Greed and hypocricy,anyone accepting Jesus death as sacraficial for them are not worthy,they are selfish,Greedy individuals, they are commiting 3 of the deadly unforgivable sins,Greed,Vanity.and selfishness, Immoral to the core,.. :notworthy

05-14-2003, 11:02 AM	#9
Cojana Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Reseda, California Posts: 651	you really want to know? okey, The reason Jesus was allowed to be murdered was so that God,in a phychotic tantrum could punish the Jews for them deserting Jesus, and punish them God did, Hitler was just a tool that God used in the Halocaust, 'ye shall be scattered throughout Europe','ye shall be prosecuted', or somewhere along those lines,God are one mean mother-fucher...

05-15-2003, 07:21 AM	#10
Cojana Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Reseda, California Posts: 651	True enlightment? okey.. God allowed Jesus to be brutally murdered by crucifixtion,so that it could punish The Jews for deserting him, and punish, it did,. Hitler was the tool God used to punish Jews, The Halocaust was premeditated long before it happened, God amusses itself with perversion, God are one mean motherfucher,...

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Darth Dane Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Required Posts: 2,349	Christainity takes a view that christ was brutally murdered for, in part for a sacraficial lamb for atonement for thier sins, I ask you how Moral can this be? Jesus was a Moral man inbedded in immorality,the cross,, how can one accept Jesus death as payment for one's sins? I see it as the epitome of Greed and hypocricy,anyone accepting Jesus death as sacraficial for them are not worthy,they are selfish,Greedy individuals, they are commiting 3 of the deadly unforgivable sins,Greed,Vanity.and selfishness, Immoral to the core,.. Hehehehehe :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy Yes, how can anyone live with themselves that jesus died for them, but they are perhaps not ready to die for Jesus in the same manner i.e. turning the other cheek. Another beautiful captured inconsistency with the bible's version of the events. DD - Love Spliff

05-13-2003, 02:43 PM	#3
Pyrrho Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: United States Posts: 7,351	I think that the whole thing is very silly. Why would any decent God require such a thing, or be happy about it? Wouldn't it be better to just forgive people, rather than to torture an "innocent man/god" as a substitute for other people being tortured? What kind of example is that for us to follow?

05-13-2003, 03:50 PM	#4
Darth Dane Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Required Posts: 2,349	I think that the whole thing is very silly. Why would any decent God require such a thing, or be happy about it? Wouldn't it be better to just forgive people, rather than to torture an "innocent man/god" as a substitute for other people being tortured? What kind of example is that for us to follow? Yes, the top of teh pyramid "dictates" what the rest oif teh pyramid can see as an example of living. Should we conclude that Jesus didn't die on the cross for our Sins per se, but rather that was teh interpretation of someone who wanted to have power, He who speaks on teh behalf of God surely is a powerfull man! Jesus wanted so much to share Love, that he was ready to die for HIS conviction on how the smartest way to Live should be, and so Jesus was One with His God, namely the God of Love and forgiveness, Jesus asked up unto the heavens to "Be Love" and God gave him what he asked for, but that conviction was a hard way to follow, to turn your cheek at every turn and so on. Could it be? DD - Love Spliff

05-14-2003, 05:01 AM	#6
Cojana Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Reseda, California Posts: 651	There are another presentation that christainity displays,the image of christ inbedded on the cross, are tantamount to displaying your son with a the gaping wound that killed him,, sofication are a terrible way to die,this are how Jesus are carried around one's neck,..it are Ghoulish, plain and simple,...

05-14-2003, 05:02 AM	#7
Darth Dane Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Required Posts: 2,349	Its a shame Christianity stole his god, and claimed it as their own. It is isn't it? I don't think he really wanted power through death, Maybe teh power to do good for those who ask!? Dieing for a cause takes more then faith. (believe it or not) It takes true enlightenment. So those willing to do terrorist acts and dieing for the cause(whatever it is) are truly enlightened? DD - Love Spliff

05-14-2003, 10:51 AM	#8
The Other Michael Honorary Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: In the fog of San Francisco Posts: 12,631	This seems to be leaning more towards the General Relgious Discussion fora, so I'm going to push it on over there. cheers, Michael MF&P Moderator (Maximus)

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