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pangloss · 09-25-2002, 01:15 PM

If this guy was hermaphroditic, he'd have a few thousand children by now...

I cannot believe the amount of self-promotion, overconfidence, and egomania that ooze from this pompous imbecile...

[ September 27, 2002: Message edited by: pangloss ]

wade-w · 09-25-2002, 01:45 PM

What an incredible collection of strawmen.

I thought I was going to lose it when I saw the entry in his first table claiming that Lamarck was generally accepted up to the mid 1900's. And he actually mentions Atavism!!! rotflmao! That chart belongs in the humor forum!

Xeluan · 09-25-2002, 02:53 PM

I though this was supposed to be a debate on the topic "Comparisons of molecules (proteins, DNA) of various species provide independent and compelling support for the hypothesis of biological macro-evolution"?

ReMine doesn't even try to address the topic of the debate.

Btw, note that the ideas of Carl Woese are starting to pop up with increasing frequnecy in ID/Creationist propaganda. Not that any of them actually understand Woese's ideas.

Xeluan

pangloss · 09-26-2002, 04:09 AM

ReMine claims that he has to address all these periphral issues to clarify evolution for everyone (you see, only HE, Wally the great, actually understands it all), and that he has to do this to introduce his ...um... 'theory'....

Which oddly seems to shall we say, borrow?, quite a bit from evolution then simply claim that it is counter to evolution.....

KC · 09-26-2002, 06:45 AM

Surely ReMine is joking. This isn't his real round one , is it?

KC

DutchAtheist · 09-26-2002, 10:49 AM

Why is Exobiology on his list?? Also, though Fred Hoyle definitely believed in extraterrestrial origin of life on earth, I don't think Sagan did. This guy also has a serious case of underline overdose.

pangloss · 09-26-2002, 12:24 PM

Didn't you know?

The frequent use of italics, bolding, underlining, and exclamation points means that you are really, really, really, right!

pz · 09-26-2002, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pangloss:
Didn't you know?

The frequent use of italics, bolding, underlining, and exclamation points means that you are really, really, really, right!

I will have to remember that!!!!!

pangloss · 09-27-2002, 05:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by KCdgw:
Surely ReMine is joking. This isn't his real round one , is it?

KC

I thought so, but there is some discussion about making him rewrite it to adhere to the agreed upon rules... I may have linked to it prematurely...

lpetrich · 11-12-2002, 04:51 PM

Here is that <a href="http://www.nmsr.org/tccsadbt.htm" target="_blank">Thomas - ReMine debate</a>.

And I'm posting because Dave Thomas has recently submitted another response. It is amazing how two people can totally talk past each other. Admittedly, Thomas did not say much about ReMine's comments, but he found them very unconvincing.

Dave Thomas also illustrated <a href="http://www.nmsr.org/darwin.htm" target="_blank">how evolutionary biology predicts treelike hierarchies</a>, and also <a href="http://www.nmsr.org/upgma.htm" target="_blank">how to construct a molecular family tree</a>.

Finally, here is Walter ReMine's "biotic message" theory:

Quote:

Life was reasonably designed:
* for survival,
* to look like the product of one designer (not multiple-independent designers), and
* to resist all other explanations (including Darwin's, Lamarck's, Gould's, Syvanen's, Hoyle's, and yours).

(Syvanen has proposed the occurrence of lots of lateral gene transfer)

I can't figure out how ReMine rules out multiple designers; if one grants an abundance of intelligently-designed features, a multiplicity of designers is a very reasonable conclusion.

[ November 12, 2002: Message edited by: lpetrich ]

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pangloss Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Posts: 1,302	Wally ReMine, egomaniac If this guy was hermaphroditic, he'd have a few thousand children by now... I cannot believe the amount of self-promotion, overconfidence, and egomania that ooze from this pompous imbecile... [ September 27, 2002: Message edited by: pangloss ]</p>

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09-25-2002, 01:45 PM	#2
wade-w Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Silver City, New Mexico Posts: 1,872	What an incredible collection of strawmen. I thought I was going to lose it when I saw the entry in his first table claiming that Lamarck was generally accepted up to the mid 1900's. And he actually mentions Atavism!!! rotflmao! That chart belongs in the humor forum!

09-25-2002, 02:53 PM	#3
Xeluan Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Some Pub In East Gosford, Australia Posts: 831	I though this was supposed to be a debate on the topic "Comparisons of molecules (proteins, DNA) of various species provide independent and compelling support for the hypothesis of biological macro-evolution"? ReMine doesn't even try to address the topic of the debate. Btw, note that the ideas of Carl Woese are starting to pop up with increasing frequnecy in ID/Creationist propaganda. Not that any of them actually understand Woese's ideas. Xeluan

09-26-2002, 04:09 AM	#4
pangloss Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Posts: 1,302	ReMine claims that he has to address all these periphral issues to clarify evolution for everyone (you see, only HE, Wally the great, actually understands it all), and that he has to do this to introduce his ...um... 'theory'.... Which oddly seems to shall we say, borrow?, quite a bit from evolution then simply claim that it is counter to evolution.....

09-26-2002, 06:45 AM	#5
KC Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Narcisco, RRR Posts: 527	Surely ReMine is joking. This isn't his real round one , is it? KC

09-26-2002, 10:49 AM	#6
DutchAtheist Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Dubai,UAE Posts: 26	Why is Exobiology on his list?? Also, though Fred Hoyle definitely believed in extraterrestrial origin of life on earth, I don't think Sagan did. This guy also has a serious case of underline overdose.

09-26-2002, 12:24 PM	#7
pangloss Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Posts: 1,302	Didn't you know? The frequent use of italics, bolding, underlining, and exclamation points means that you are really, really, really, right!

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