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Theli · 07-06-2002, 12:58 AM

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Originally posted by Anunnaki:


Only 19? I`ve read a few of your posts and assumed you were an old italian woman with a veil on your head. Go figure.

I did of course wonder what an old fanatical Italian woman in perpetual mourning with a head full of Catholic superstitions was doing online,but I figured that senility works in mysterious ways.

I also though Gemma was old. I don't really know why. Perhaps it's because "Gemma" looks alot like "Grandma".

HelenM · 07-06-2002, 03:46 AM

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Originally posted by Synaesthesia:
Women should not be enlightened or educated in any way. They should, in fact, be segregated as they are the cause of hideous and involuntary erections in holy men.
-- Augustine

Is this a quote?

Gemma Therese · 07-06-2002, 03:48 AM

Thor, where are you?

Insignificant to whom?

<a href="http://littleflower.org/therese/thanks/therese.html" target="_blank">http://littleflower.org/therese/thanks/therese.html</a>

<a href="http://littleflower.org/scriptures/petition.html" target="_blank">http://littleflower.org/scriptures/petition.html</a>

Gemma Therese

Jobar · 07-06-2002, 04:44 AM

Gemma, despite Typhon's opinion, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and moving this to Misc. Religion.

Despite the fact that we disagree on so many matters, I do not adjudge you stupid. (Just brainwashed.) So please, try to select the proper forum for your posts- a discussion of Augustine is *not* a proper topic for EoG. However, if you care to use Augustine's arguments for an attempt at a proof of God's existence, that is OK. (But you'll get your arguments chopped off at the knees- Augustine's reasoning has been shown faulty for hundreds of years.)

TooBad · 07-06-2002, 05:15 AM

Augustine, as a matter of interest, was a firm believer in predestination. He believed that we are all tainted with sin, regardless of our personal conduct, and that really we all deserve eternal damnation. Some of us, the lucky ones, will be saved by God's "grace", but who is saved and who is damned has already been decided, and if you're not one the lucky ones, no amount of prayer or virtuous living is going to help you. See <a href="http://www.ccel.org/fathers2/NPNF1-05/npnf1-05-16.htm#P1888_814447" target="_blank">here</a> for further details. (Chapter 4 is the relevant bit).

Pomp · 07-06-2002, 11:06 AM

Hmmm...as Jobar stated an intent to move this to MRD and didn't actually do so, I'm going to go ahead and move it.

Eudaimonist · 07-06-2002, 11:17 AM

I can't find a reference to the quote Helen was asking about, but in looking through online texts, I found this progressive gem...

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And hence the apostle says, "Now, if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel." This is the origin of domestic peace, or the well-ordered concord of those in the family who rule and those who obey. For they who care for the rest rule,--the husband the wife, the parents the children, the masters the servants; and they who are cared for obey,--the women their husbands, the children their parents, the servants their masters.

<a href="http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/jod/augustine.html" target="_blank">http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/jod/augustine.html</a>

Kosh · 07-06-2002, 05:12 PM

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Originally posted by Gemma Therese:
 Both my grandmothers are Italian and old, but one has dementia, and the other is a quite liberal Catholic.

They must be hard to tell apart....

Hedwig · 07-06-2002, 06:12 PM

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Originally posted by Kosh:


They must be hard to tell apart....

*snort* My Catholic granny would like to have a word with you.

Ales · 07-08-2002, 04:52 AM

St. Augustine suffered a sociopathic disorder or something like this. He believed that a small child who had not been-for any reason-sprinkled by water by a priest would be eternally burned in the hell-allegedly similarly like a Salamander or the Etna. When he was a boy he stole pears, together with his friends, and considered this as the greatest sin of his life and the whole life constantly prayed for the forgiveness. He also names the devilish lusts and sins of small children. (B. Russell, History of Western Philosophy) It is really sad that the Catholics still pray to this sadist deviant in Churches on a regular basis.

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07-06-2002, 03:48 AM	#23
Gemma Therese Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: new york Posts: 608	Thor, where are you? Insignificant to whom? <a href="http://littleflower.org/therese/thanks/therese.html" target="_blank">http://littleflower.org/therese/thanks/therese.html</a> <a href="http://littleflower.org/scriptures/petition.html" target="_blank">http://littleflower.org/scriptures/petition.html</a> Gemma Therese

07-06-2002, 04:44 AM	#24
Jobar Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: secularcafe.org Posts: 9,525	Gemma, despite Typhon's opinion, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and moving this to Misc. Religion. Despite the fact that we disagree on so many matters, I do not adjudge you stupid. (Just brainwashed.) So please, try to select the proper forum for your posts- a discussion of Augustine is not a proper topic for EoG. However, if you care to use Augustine's arguments for an attempt at a proof of God's existence, that is OK. (But you'll get your arguments chopped off at the knees- Augustine's reasoning has been shown faulty for hundreds of years.)

07-06-2002, 05:15 AM	#25
TooBad Regular Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Oblivion, UK Posts: 152	Augustine, as a matter of interest, was a firm believer in predestination. He believed that we are all tainted with sin, regardless of our personal conduct, and that really we all deserve eternal damnation. Some of us, the lucky ones, will be saved by God's "grace", but who is saved and who is damned has already been decided, and if you're not one the lucky ones, no amount of prayer or virtuous living is going to help you. See <a href="http://www.ccel.org/fathers2/NPNF1-05/npnf1-05-16.htm#P1888_814447" target="_blank">here</a> for further details. (Chapter 4 is the relevant bit).

07-06-2002, 11:06 AM	#26
Pomp Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Indianapolis area Posts: 3,468	Hmmm...as Jobar stated an intent to move this to MRD and didn't actually do so, I'm going to go ahead and move it.

07-08-2002, 04:52 AM	#30
Ales Regular Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 226	St. Augustine suffered a sociopathic disorder or something like this. He believed that a small child who had not been-for any reason-sprinkled by water by a priest would be eternally burned in the hell-allegedly similarly like a Salamander or the Etna. When he was a boy he stole pears, together with his friends, and considered this as the greatest sin of his life and the whole life constantly prayed for the forgiveness. He also names the devilish lusts and sins of small children. (B. Russell, History of Western Philosophy) It is really sad that the Catholics still pray to this sadist deviant in Churches on a regular basis.

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