KidFury

Ah yes the afterlife...

The second part of the problem of evil where an ooog actually sends 1/2 of the people to burn in hell for eternity and the other half to be bored out of your mind (as per emotional's comment of this tread). That' just great...

yguy

Show me some evidence that the afterlife is boring and we'll talk.

KidFury

Nuff' said

Toto

Show me some evidence of the afterlife first.

It's quite clear that the idea of an afterlife was invented to give soldiers the motivation to die in battle. Where has that gotten us? More hell on earth.

And it would take a lot more that the possibility of an afterlife to make up for the evil we see around us.

yguy

And I should find this poster's speculation on the matter compelling evidence because...?

yguy

Aside from the many accounts of NDE's, I have nothing resembling hard evidence. However, it does not make sense for God to have created an Einstein or a George Washington only to throw them away after a few years. We build skyscrapers to last way longer than that, for crying out loud.

You have no idea what the hell you're talking about.

Obviously.

Wyrdsmyth

Only the omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent version.

Viti

If the Christian God exists, and if evil does not exist in Heaven, then it is possible for God to create a place with no evil. The angels do not seem to need this "growth" opportunity or comparitive "bad" to recognize good or even to have faith that God exists (since they know) in order to have free will (assuming some of them rebelled with Satan). God has created his Disneyland in Heaven...why create the Earth at all?

Dr Rick

Another false analogy.

Those things that you cite are logical contradictions, but my assertions are not; therefore, your comparison is irrational. If you claim otherwise, the burden of proof is upon you, as everything is possible except for those things that are not logically possible.

An ooog could make the universe in exactly the way I specify as well as in an infinite number of other ways; if you disagree, you must show why doing so is not logically possible, because everything is possible for an omnipotent god except those things that are not possible.

At best, this is just nothing more than a "gods work in mysterious ways" rationalization; it is not a logical arguement.

Are you implicitly claiming that it is "more likely that He just can't conform to the nonsensical standard imposed by human illogic?" because it really looks like you're just dodging a rational deconstruction of your fallacious assertions.

What do you mean by the term, "human illogic" and how does it apply to the PoE arguement? How can you implicitly assert that "He just can't conform to the nonsensical standard imposed" without first defining the "nonsensical standard" and then providing the proof that his inability to do so does not negate his presumed omnipotence?

It presumes nothing of the sort. Care to site your qualifications to claim otherwise?

Oh, joy; now you are trying to defend a fallacy of false analogy with a fallacious non sequitur.

The analogy isn't merely imperfect; it's illogical. It's completely irrational because the attributes of parents have nothing to do with the attributes of an ooog or the PoE arguement.

What?

You have no objective and verifiable evidence at all.

The whole concept of gods does not make sense, for crying out loud.

BTW, what do gods, Einstein, skyscrapers, and George Washington have to do with your arguement? It looks like you're just randomly throwing unrelated stuff together.

Try just sticking to explaining what the hell you're talking about for the time being; none of it even makes sense so far.

Rick

yguy

You assume facts not in evidence. The epistle of Jude relates an incident where the archangel Michael disputed with satan about the body of Moses. If there was one instance of such warfare, there could easily be more.