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Infinity Lover · 03-09-2002, 03:43 PM

How people fail to get this boggles me no ends...

It's so ridiculously simple...

NOTHING does NOT exist!

Want to dispute this? FINE; tell me what it's made from!
WITHOUT turning it into something, namely the stuff it consists of! It's the only counterargument I'll settle for I'm affraid!

NOTHING contains NOTHING!
Want to dispute this? FINE; tell me what's in it!
WITHOUT turning it into something, namely the stuff it contains! It's the only counterargument I'll settle for I'm affraid!

Nothing doesn't exist, so there's ALWAYS something, always has been, always has been!
Want to dispute this? FINE! But don't let me catch you dodging the issue! STRAIGHT answers! VALID counterarguments!
And "this proves nothing" doesn't cut it! WHY, I wanna hear WHY!

There couldn't possibly be a maker, because there's nothing to make, the whole infinite thing has always been here! Dispute me, tell me how nothing can exist! I dare you, I double dare you!

tronvillain · 03-09-2002, 04:06 PM

Don't make me ship you off to RR&P again.

That nothing cannot exist does not imply that the universe has always existed, it simply implies that something has always existed. As a result, it is logically possible for the universe to have a creator and your argument fails.

A3 · 03-09-2002, 04:18 PM

Nothing was ever created out of nothing. God is the only true and absolute substance. He created the universe (and still is) by having His infinate substance flow away from Him making it finite. Look at ANY 'substance', it is held together by force. His force. That is why He is the only reality and only real Person. (One person BTW). Sound reasonable?

A3

tronvillain · 03-09-2002, 04:24 PM

Possible? Yes. Reasonable? No.

hinduwoman · 03-09-2002, 04:40 PM

Let us say something exists. But that doesnot mean that is is a conscious intelligent being. It is more probable that it was matter of some kind.

Theli · 03-09-2002, 05:12 PM

A3...

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Nothing was ever created out of nothing. God is the only true and absolute substance.

So god is nothing?

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He created the universe (and still is) by having His infinate substance flow away from Him making it finite.

With substance, do you mean "matter"? "energy"? "bigotry"?

Are you saying the universe is eternal? Then how do you explain it's constant expansion?

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Look at ANY 'substance', it is held together by force. His force. That is why He is the only reality and only real Person. (One person BTW). Sound reasonable?

Is god a person?
If the substance is matter then the force you are speaking of is gravity. If the substance is bigotry then the force is religion (sorry about that).

BTW...Is this a joke?
If it is, then I'm sorry about questioning it. I must be looking stupid now

ju'iblex · 03-09-2002, 05:55 PM

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Nothing was ever created out of nothing. God is the only true and absolute substance. He created the universe (and still is) by having His infinate substance flow away from Him making it finite. Look at ANY 'substance', it is held together by force. His force. That is why He is the only reality and only real Person. (One person BTW). Sound reasonable?

oh!!! i get it now. well consider me converted and sign me up for church, A3 your supreme knowledge is making me think you might be the one true God. (i hope He didnt hear that

)

oh for gods sake, tell me you dont actually believe that.

A3 · 03-09-2002, 06:16 PM

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With substance, do you mean "matter"? "energy"? "bigotry"?

No, spiritual substance. Love is not nothing, it is a spiritual substance.

"Are you saying the universe is eternal?"
I'm saying it probably is

"Then how do you explain it's constant expansion?"
It is constantly being created. Existence is said to be constant creation.
BTW I don't type very well so I keep it short

In this little window it feels like writing a letter through a keyhole.
Regards
A3

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Look at ANY 'substance', it is held together by force. His force. That is why He is the only reality and only real Person. (One person BTW). Sound reasonable?
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"Is god a person?"
The only uncreated. I suppose you could call Him the only real Person. But His is spiritual, a spirit, in time but apart from time and in space but apart from space.
A3

03-09-2002, 08:36 PM

While I am not the judge here I must ask you if you had a cloudy day in Holland? Some of these guys here are mountiantop people where the sun always shines.

Jeremy Pallant · 03-09-2002, 09:41 PM

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Originally posted by Amos:
<strong>While I am not the judge here I must ask you if you had a cloudy day in Holland? Some of these guys here are mountiantop people where the sun always shines.

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No, Sonoran Desert. 300 days of sunshine a year. The mountains around me have less than that.

03-09-2002, 03:43 PM	#1
Infinity Lover Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,047	Is nobody capable of comprehending this??? How people fail to get this boggles me no ends... It's so ridiculously simple... NOTHING does NOT exist! Want to dispute this? FINE; tell me what it's made from! WITHOUT turning it into something, namely the stuff it consists of! It's the only counterargument I'll settle for I'm affraid! NOTHING contains NOTHING! Want to dispute this? FINE; tell me what's in it! WITHOUT turning it into something, namely the stuff it contains! It's the only counterargument I'll settle for I'm affraid! Nothing doesn't exist, so there's ALWAYS something, always has been, always has been! Want to dispute this? FINE! But don't let me catch you dodging the issue! STRAIGHT answers! VALID counterarguments! And "this proves nothing" doesn't cut it! WHY, I wanna hear WHY! There couldn't possibly be a maker, because there's nothing to make, the whole infinite thing has always been here! Dispute me, tell me how nothing can exist! I dare you, I double dare you!

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03-09-2002, 04:06 PM	#2
tronvillain Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 5,658	Don't make me ship you off to RR&P again. That nothing cannot exist does not imply that the universe has always existed, it simply implies that something has always existed. As a result, it is logically possible for the universe to have a creator and your argument fails.

03-09-2002, 04:18 PM	#3
A3 Regular Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Toronto Canada Posts: 166	Nothing was ever created out of nothing. God is the only true and absolute substance. He created the universe (and still is) by having His infinate substance flow away from Him making it finite. Look at ANY 'substance', it is held together by force. His force. That is why He is the only reality and only real Person. (One person BTW). Sound reasonable? A3

03-09-2002, 04:24 PM	#4
tronvillain Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 5,658	Possible? Yes. Reasonable? No.

03-09-2002, 04:40 PM	#5
hinduwoman Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: India Posts: 6,977	Let us say something exists. But that doesnot mean that is is a conscious intelligent being. It is more probable that it was matter of some kind.

03-09-2002, 08:36 PM	#9
Amos Guest Posts: n/a	While I am not the judge here I must ask you if you had a cloudy day in Holland? Some of these guys here are mountiantop people where the sun always shines.

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