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Old 02-05-2003, 02:29 PM   #11
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ARIS is the most comprehensive religious identification survey that I'm aware of. You can read the entire report here.

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I don't have a link, but there was a recent Gallup poll released that showed evidence that religiousity was on the decline in the US. It took many factors into account. For example how firm a person's belief was in things like an afterlife. It sounded pretty convincing. I think the problem we have now is that a very loud minority are very organized politically and have influenced legislative changes.
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Well, there's ony 61,000 fundamentalists compared to 902,000 of us atheists so I wouldn't worry about it too much.
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I think the problem we have now is that a very loud minority are very organized politically and have influenced legislative changes.
I think that's exactly it. Church attendance has been declining. Many polls show that, though it is increasing some from the 80's. New age and alternative 'religions' are also increasing according to most polls (which personally drives me crazy. Why can't people use REASON).

But my concern is the strong influence of the Religious Right MINORITY. They are organized, determined, and have a strong political voice.

All I keep seeing as I research various atheist/humanist groups is a bunch of individuals who mostly argue amongst themselves, don't want to get involved or speak up, and are committed to very little.

We have to do better than that...and soon.
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Do you know how many secular people there are in europe (i.e. what the percentage is)?
For the UK: we will soon know.

Data from the 2001 census will be released on 13th February. Article here.
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All I keep seeing as I research various atheist/humanist groups is a bunch of individuals who mostly argue amongst themselves, don't want to get involved or speak up, and are committed to very little.

We have to do better than that...and soon.
That's a great point, and I totally agree with you, especially on a national level. I thought the Godless March was a step in the right direction, but haven't seen much change since then. I still hold out hope for the Coalition for the Community of Reason and Secular Coalition for America.

I think it's imperative for the godless in the US to join the various godless organizations and demand from their leadership that they work together on common issues, and avoid the pissing contests of the past.

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Old 02-07-2003, 12:33 PM   #18
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Well, there's ony 61,000 fundamentalists compared to 902,000 of us atheists so I wouldn't worry about it too much.
Yeah, but they're so loud, they'll make up a good bit of the difference being vocal!
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60,000 fundamentalists in the U.S.? Total??? That number seems laughably low. I'd think it was in the millions. I know they are disproportionately noisy, but still I have a hard time believing there are only 60k.
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60,000 fundamentalists in the U.S.? Total??? That number seems laughably low. I'd think it was in the millions. I know they are disproportionately noisy, but still I have a hard time believing there are only 60k.
There are also the millions of nominal and less fundamentalist Xtians who follow the fundamentalists' lead on issues such as school prayer, public posting of the 10 Commandments, etc.
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