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semyaza · 03-12-2003, 07:52 PM

Kinda on topic. Just googling around to see what the "psychics" were saying about her just a few months ago...

[1]
[quote] "We started reading on Liz about a week after she was gone. Our readings had her alive for a few weeks, driving around in Wyoming, hiding out. We called our in to the Salt Lake Police every few days as well as to the FBI. Our readings finally said she was choked and her body was dumped in Boysen Lake State Park in Wyoming."

I bet the FBI and the SLC police were both equally pleased to get regular updates from these clowns.

[2]
[quote] "A group of psychics told police they were sure missing 14-year-old Elizabeth Smart could be found entombed in a crypt in the foothills above Salt Lake City."

[3]
[quote] "In the silence of night,
there has has been HUMAN SACRIFICE"

Well, that was certainly helpful.

[4]
[quote] "She believes the kidnapper is not a friend or a family member, but someone who had been watching the girl at home for the past two weeks -- possibly from a white van parked outside the house. She said the man had never spoken with Elizabeth before kidnapping her and had not been inside her house."

Wrong on so many levels...

[5]
[quote] "I just want you to listen to me. Elizabeth alone just me."

This poem sent to me by Elizabeth Smart from Heaven"

Are the voices in my head bothering you?

Lobstrosity · 03-12-2003, 11:17 PM

Simply astounding! I will never understand how people can remain sketpical of psychics when the proof of their powers is everywhere.

Strawberry · 03-12-2003, 11:34 PM

What's better is how the family and community immediately attribute everything to God, miracles, and prayer. Yeah, obviously the police and massive media coverage had nothing to do with it whatsoever.

MaximusDementis · 03-13-2003, 06:23 PM

Yeah, too bad presidents can't get that...all the praise when things go right and none of blame when things go wrong.

How was it "God's Plan" to have a 13 year old kidnapped and used as a sex slave by two demented bums? I want no part of a God who plans such things.

Bag of Ass · 03-13-2003, 09:07 PM

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Originally posted by Strawberry
What's better is how the family and community immediately attribute everything to God, miracles, and prayer. Yeah, obviously the police and massive media coverage had nothing to do with it whatsoever.

I think the reason it was so well covered in the media is because Elizabeth is cute, the family is rich (and white -- forgive me if I sound racist but I don't believe there would've been as much coverage if she was an ethnic minority), and there were so many other child kidnappings near that time. Truthfully I don't think the police had a big hand in finding her. Back when she was first kidnapped last summer, the police and community made this huge search effort, and even though she was able to hear them, no good came of it. The community and media coverage kept her image in the town's public eye with fliers and such, and that's what led to finding her. Mostly I'm just glad and at the same time amazed to hear that she is unharmed and back with her family after all this time.

Addendum: I do believe that the family is justified in attributing her recovery to God, miracles, and prayer. It is those things that helped keep their community together.

nermal · 03-14-2003, 03:48 AM

Let's not forget one of the more interesting and disquieting aspects of this story:
How was the guy able to get her out of the house without a struggle; keep her for 8 months in various locations she was familiar with , one being within a block of a police station; and she not make any attempt at all to foil the scheme?

The only answer I can conclude is this:

She is Mormon. She is pre-brainwashed. He only needed to tweak her program a bit.

Ed

Feather · 03-14-2003, 05:48 AM

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Originally posted by nermal

The only answer I can conclude is this:

She is Mormon. She is pre-brainwashed. He only needed to tweak her program a bit.

Ed

That's pretty much what I thought.

On a somewhat related topic, Bill O'Reilly was blathering his usual invective on the local hate radio station last night. He was interviewing some psychologist or something about the kidnapping and claimed he could never be brainwashed himself, short of torture. He's also admittedly religious. So this just exposes his hypocrisy (stupidity?) even more.

abe smith · 03-14-2003, 07:12 AM

It really does piss me off that the girl's kinfolk, neighbors et al are announcing that Elisabeth's return is "miraculous". To be sure, probably all this means is that none of them understands what the words *miracle/miraculous* MEAN. And besides , if a "miracle" happens to you/yours, that really makes you very SPECIAL, doesn't it? >>>> "Gott mit UNS."

Wyz_sub10 · 03-14-2003, 07:36 AM

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Originally posted by Bag of Ass
I think the reason it was so well covered in the media is because Elizabeth is cute, the family is rich (and white -- forgive me if I sound racist but I don't believe there would've been as much coverage if she was an ethnic minority), and there were so many other child kidnappings near that time. Truthfully I don't think the police had a big hand in finding her. Back when she was first kidnapped last summer, the police and community made this huge search effort, and even though she was able to hear them, no good came of it. The community and media coverage kept her image in the town's public eye with fliers and such, and that's what led to finding her. Mostly I'm just glad and at the same time amazed to hear that she is unharmed and back with her family after all this time.

Addendum: I do believe that the family is justified in attributing her recovery to God, miracles, and prayer. It is those things that helped keep their community together.

Hi Bag of Ass (I have to admit, I think that's a great, albeit unusual, name).

Welcome to the forum!

Wyz_sub10 · 03-14-2003, 07:38 AM

This topic doesn't have much science in it, so I'm going to send it off to MD.

03-12-2003, 07:52 PM	#1
semyaza Regular Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 104	Elizabeth Smart Kinda on topic. Just googling around to see what the "psychics" were saying about her just a few months ago... [1] [quote] "We started reading on Liz about a week after she was gone. Our readings had her alive for a few weeks, driving around in Wyoming, hiding out. We called our in to the Salt Lake Police every few days as well as to the FBI. Our readings finally said she was choked and her body was dumped in Boysen Lake State Park in Wyoming." I bet the FBI and the SLC police were both equally pleased to get regular updates from these clowns. [2] [quote] "A group of psychics told police they were sure missing 14-year-old Elizabeth Smart could be found entombed in a crypt in the foothills above Salt Lake City." [3] [quote] "In the silence of night, there has has been HUMAN SACRIFICE" Well, that was certainly helpful. [4] [quote] "She believes the kidnapper is not a friend or a family member, but someone who had been watching the girl at home for the past two weeks -- possibly from a white van parked outside the house. She said the man had never spoken with Elizabeth before kidnapping her and had not been inside her house." Wrong on so many levels... [5] [quote] "I just want you to listen to me. Elizabeth alone just me." This poem sent to me by Elizabeth Smart from Heaven" Are the voices in my head bothering you?

03-14-2003, 07:12 AM	#8
abe smith Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: springfield, MA. USA Posts: 2,482	Smart's return "miraculous" It really does piss me off that the girl's kinfolk, neighbors et al are announcing that Elisabeth's return is "miraculous". To be sure, probably all this means is that none of them understands what the words miracle/miraculous MEAN. And besides , if a "miracle" happens to you/yours, that really makes you very SPECIAL, doesn't it? >>>> "Gott mit UNS."

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03-12-2003, 11:17 PM	#2
Lobstrosity Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 719	Simply astounding! I will never understand how people can remain sketpical of psychics when the proof of their powers is everywhere.

03-12-2003, 11:34 PM	#3
Strawberry Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Lancaster, PA/Toronto, ON, Canada Posts: 627	What's better is how the family and community immediately attribute everything to God, miracles, and prayer. Yeah, obviously the police and massive media coverage had nothing to do with it whatsoever.

03-13-2003, 06:23 PM	#4
MaximusDementis Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Moscow, TN Posts: 57	Yeah, too bad presidents can't get that...all the praise when things go right and none of blame when things go wrong. How was it "God's Plan" to have a 13 year old kidnapped and used as a sex slave by two demented bums? I want no part of a God who plans such things.

03-14-2003, 03:48 AM	#6
nermal Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,969	Let's not forget one of the more interesting and disquieting aspects of this story: How was the guy able to get her out of the house without a struggle; keep her for 8 months in various locations she was familiar with , one being within a block of a police station; and she not make any attempt at all to foil the scheme? The only answer I can conclude is this: She is Mormon. She is pre-brainwashed. He only needed to tweak her program a bit. Ed

03-14-2003, 07:38 AM	#10
Wyz_sub10 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In the land of two boys and no sleep. Posts: 9,890	This topic doesn't have much science in it, so I'm going to send it off to MD.

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