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Old 03-03-2003, 09:12 AM   #211
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How does one satirize a position one doesn't understand?
What position is that? I mainly satirize hypocritical and contradictory statements, self-righteousness among those who endlessly judge Christians for it, wildly presumptious theories about who Jesus was, self-aggrandizing statements, while showing that "logic" has very little to do with anything here. If I can show that then I have shown that "rational" thinking is nothing of the sort and that one might as well have faith in Christ.

I can't help it. The human condition, including my own, is an endless source of laughs and ironies, as well as misery. One of the great things Jesus did was make it all bearable and survivable for those who hate the oppression and injustice of the world, and thirst for one much better.

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You obviously can't even understand how we don't accept what the Bible says about anything. I wouldn't be surprised if you think we don't REALLY disbelieve in god.
Which shows you have very little idea what I think or what motivates me.

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Old 03-03-2003, 09:19 AM   #212
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I am STILL waiting for a substantive reply to my Hinduism scenario, Radorth.

You wouldn't know one if you saw it. Your question was more rhetoric than a question. I also gave the conditions under which I would worship a Hindu God and there is no such Hindu God.
There is no Christian god either. But apparently you won't accept that as an answer, even from an atheist. We're supposed to assume that your God exists.

Therefore you must assume that the Hindu gods exist as described. I am still wondering what you will actually say to Kali in this situation.
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Old 03-03-2003, 09:28 AM   #213
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There is no Christian god either. But apparently you won't accept that as an answer, even from an atheist. We're supposed to assume that your God exists.
Not at all. In fact my scenarios here were plainly hypothetical.

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Old 03-03-2003, 09:31 AM   #214
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BTW Fenton, why don't you point out a thread where you have had a two page long sincere, barb-free debate with a Christian, and I will point out like debates I have had. (At least before I discovered I was being naive)

I'm sure we'll see who's shoveling what here.

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Old 03-03-2003, 10:02 AM   #215
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Question And the other way around..?

Sad but true, non-believers are a minority in this world..

So therefore I'm gonna twist the question around a bit:

If there was definite scientific proof (aka. if the world was a better place) of the non-existence of a God of any kind, and it changed the world completely, how would you react to this, Radorth?

(It can't be too hard for believers to imagine this, you made a frickin' collection of books and found yourself believing every word of it..)

If you ask me, living a life in "fear", or "awe", can never be a good thing..

How would you react if you found out humanity itself can decide what is right and what is wrong using the logic and kindness that we all share? How would you feel if you found out you decide your own fate by what you do with your life?

Would it be a horrible situation..?
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Old 03-03-2003, 10:32 AM   #216
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Not at all. In fact my scenarios here were plainly hypothetical.

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And so was mine. But if it isn't acceptable to YOU that WE can just shrug and say "this is not applicable to me": why should WE let YOU use this cop-out?

Still waiting...
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Old 03-03-2003, 10:43 AM   #217
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Surprise surprise. The Rad police all showed up at once to claim once again Rad never answers anything, he's a terrible witness, claim their own holiness, declare Rad is a waste of time, and say they will never bother with him again. (The new members anyway)
Pretty much except nobody is claiming any type of "holiness". This is one of those thing you`ve been told multiple times,but continue to spew over and over regardless. Nobody here (except you) has any desire to be holy.


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That's not the reason. You just said nobody thinks I'm interested, and besides that there are two or three "intelligent" atheists who can get my attention, and to whom I respond in all seriousness. And it's certainly not "different" people who show up at the end of the thread. It's the same old grudgemeisters, of whom you are chief, who declare over and over I'm not responding to the questions and I never posted "anything" substantiative. Sorry, it's not about "hoping I get it" and I think even the choir knows that.
Where did I say nobody thinks your interested? You`re too interested and that the problem. I said you are incoherent. The words interested and incoherent may look similar but they mean very different things.
You are purposely being difficuclt again and you know it.

And there is no "choir" either.


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I think Hitler has me beat, hands down. He was a Christian by the definition of all but a couple skeptics here. Or are you guys now retracting that assertion?
Is Hitler here? Have I personally ever seen Hitler witness? Does Hitler come here to II? NO to all the above.
Theres nothing to retract. You are still the WORST witness I`ve ever seen and only you would try to pass the buck to Hitler. Unbelievable!


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I do have several motives for being here, which I have listed before. I also said one of my weakesses is being unable to ignore opportunities to satirize the position of some skeptics.
Yes and your motives are very similar to my motives for following you around here.

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But I do care enough to change my tune, should Sabine Grant ever lead one of you to the Lord.
Don`t hold your breath. Or do. It`s up to you.


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I never once said they "run away" from me. I do assume my carefully and sincerely presented scenarios went unanswered by some because they raise the important issues here and go to motive.
I didn`t say anything about anyone running away from you. You`ve claimed numerous false victories,but I`m not aware you`ve said people run away from you.
They probably should run away from you though.



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Heh. Fat chance of that. I just think both sides of the story should be presented. I'm surprised you don't welcome it with open arms, particularly from a moron.
Both sides of what story?
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Old 03-03-2003, 10:51 AM   #218
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I wouldn't be surprised if you think we don't REALLY disbelieve in god.

Kinda puts ya in mind of the "non-Christian Christians," dunnit?
We're the non-atheist atheists.
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Old 03-03-2003, 11:21 AM   #219
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BTW Fenton, why don't you point out a thread where you have had a two page long sincere, barb-free debate with a Christian, and I will point out like debates I have had. (At least before I discovered I was being naive)
You won`t find me engaging any Christians here in two page debates (except you). I no longer have the desire to debate Christians and see it as futile.
I really don`t care for debating/arguing and prefer to live and let live.
Unlike you,you won`t find me pushing or flaunting my world view here to anybody (anyone except you).
You`ll notice that *I* didn`t come to a place you were and immediately start hammering away.

You would never have heard anything from me if you weren`t such a jerk to everyone here. It`s not the fact that you`re Christian that bugs me about you,but rather your tactics and the way you abuse people here with evading,wise cracks,backpeddling,outright lying,passing the buck,superior attitude,false claims of victory and the general dark cloud you continue to hold over this entire site. (feel free to add to this list if I`ve overlooked any of Rads charming qualities)
You`re not a very nice person and you know it.
You`ve even admitted that your main reason for being here was just for shits and giggles.

I consider you to be a menace to society. Oddly enough,sometimes I see something in you that I like,but by the end of the day you always find a way to ruin it.

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I'm sure we'll see who's shoveling what here.
Yes we did see and it looks like everyone needs a shovel except you. You just need to stop shitting.

I`ll get off your back for now,but be warned that I`ll be right here with my whistle if you start your antics again.
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Old 03-03-2003, 11:44 AM   #220
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As it turns out, Bumble Bee had an ulterior motive for asking me if he had answered well enough, and his apparently "sincere" response was nothing of the sort.
Nah, the response was sincere. That's why it pissed me off that you essentially ignored it. You don't actually want to argue, you want to draw insults from people and have a big flamewar. Substantive responses are ignored, but you'll respond to any insult until the thread is beaten to a pulp. I asked if I had answered well enough because you had ignored my response so I assumed it's because the response did not cover what you wanted. No, it turns out you thought it was a good response but you just ignore those sorts of things. Whatever, if that's what makes you happy fine. I just prefer to actually debate. If you ever want to debate again, just let me know when you've grown up and I'll be glad to.

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