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Javaman · 07-04-2002, 05:27 AM

I've been trying to think of other ideas for altering the Pledge of Allegience to illustrate the problem with its current incarnation.

As most of the uproar centers on two lines of reasoning:

Majority Rule and Founding Fathers = theists/deists

A similar line of reasoning could result in:

One white nation, under God...

The majority of Americans are white as were all of the founding fathers. Again (as with my last post) I've tried to stay away from a religious addition and the result is this obviously offensive addition.

If this Pledge existed, and a non-white person complained, could you ever imagine the government and the populace attacking the non-white Americans with epithets like "whiny, un-American Socialists"?

I'm sorry if this idea has been posted in the past. With so many posts to read, I've been skimming.

ADAM

Joel · 07-04-2002, 06:32 AM

I think you're on to something here. You make a good point and this helps illustrate how offensive and backwards the majority of the population has been acting on the Pledge issue. I see nothing wrong with equating their attitudes towards atheists with those displayed by white supremacists towards other races. It is unfortunate, yet accurate, that sometimes you must offend people to get their attention and make them actually think about the idiotic statements they are making.

enemigo · 07-04-2002, 09:14 AM

One white nation, under God...

The majority of the nation is Christian too. So it could be:

"One white nation, under Jesus..."

We all know thats what the McCarTheists mean anyways.. And after all, it doesn't specify which sect.. so it doesn't establish a specific religion..

richard

Krieger · 07-04-2002, 09:26 AM

Quote:

"One white nation, under Jesus..."

You mean "under our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ", you've got to have all of that fundie rhetoric in there.

Buffman · 07-04-2002, 11:16 AM

If you are looking for the words that the zealous Christians would like to see included in our Constitution, as well as every other government item, read the informtion about "The Previous Attempts" here:

<a href="http://members.tripod.com/~candst/toc.htm" target="_blank">http://members.tripod.com/~candst/toc.htm</a>

ex-preacher · 07-04-2002, 11:17 AM

Let's make it "one white, English-speaking nation under our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ."

Dibble Helix · 07-04-2002, 11:38 AM

Just one addition: "one white wealthy, English-speaking nation under our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ."

dh

Seth K · 07-04-2002, 12:38 PM

If we're supposed to stay true to the Founding Fathers' vision for our nation, where are the conservatives trying to send African-Americans back to the plantations? Or taking away the voting rights of women and renters?

One of the last sane · 07-04-2002, 01:03 PM

Tack on "with liberty and justice for all wealthy, educated white adult males."

ex-preacher · 07-04-2002, 02:20 PM

"with liberty and justice for all wealthy, educated, straight, white adult males."

07-04-2002, 05:27 AM	#1
Javaman Veteran Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Nebraska Posts: 1,708	Another new (offensive) line for the Pledge I've been trying to think of other ideas for altering the Pledge of Allegience to illustrate the problem with its current incarnation. As most of the uproar centers on two lines of reasoning: Majority Rule and Founding Fathers = theists/deists A similar line of reasoning could result in: One white nation, under God... The majority of Americans are white as were all of the founding fathers. Again (as with my last post) I've tried to stay away from a religious addition and the result is this obviously offensive addition. If this Pledge existed, and a non-white person complained, could you ever imagine the government and the populace attacking the non-white Americans with epithets like "whiny, un-American Socialists"? I'm sorry if this idea has been posted in the past. With so many posts to read, I've been skimming. ADAM

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07-04-2002, 06:32 AM	#2
Joel Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 925	I think you're on to something here. You make a good point and this helps illustrate how offensive and backwards the majority of the population has been acting on the Pledge issue. I see nothing wrong with equating their attitudes towards atheists with those displayed by white supremacists towards other races. It is unfortunate, yet accurate, that sometimes you must offend people to get their attention and make them actually think about the idiotic statements they are making.

07-04-2002, 09:14 AM	#3
enemigo Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: atlanta, ga Posts: 691	One white nation, under God... The majority of the nation is Christian too. So it could be: "One white nation, under Jesus..." We all know thats what the McCarTheists mean anyways.. And after all, it doesn't specify which sect.. so it doesn't establish a specific religion.. richard

07-04-2002, 11:16 AM	#5
Buffman Beloved Deceased Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: central Florida Posts: 3,546	If you are looking for the words that the zealous Christians would like to see included in our Constitution, as well as every other government item, read the informtion about "The Previous Attempts" here: <a href="http://members.tripod.com/~candst/toc.htm" target="_blank">http://members.tripod.com/~candst/toc.htm</a>

07-04-2002, 11:17 AM	#6
ex-preacher Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: University of Arkansas Posts: 1,033	Let's make it "one white, English-speaking nation under our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ."

07-04-2002, 11:38 AM	#7
Dibble Helix Regular Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: UK Posts: 473	Just one addition: "one white wealthy, English-speaking nation under our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ." dh

07-04-2002, 12:38 PM	#8
Seth K Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: SLO, CA Posts: 90	If we're supposed to stay true to the Founding Fathers' vision for our nation, where are the conservatives trying to send African-Americans back to the plantations? Or taking away the voting rights of women and renters?

07-04-2002, 01:03 PM	#9
One of the last sane Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: hereabouts Posts: 734	Tack on "with liberty and justice for all wealthy, educated white adult males."

07-04-2002, 02:20 PM	#10
ex-preacher Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: University of Arkansas Posts: 1,033	"with liberty and justice for all wealthy, educated, straight, white adult males."

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