winstonjen

I thought it would be obvious that the person most directly affected would be the one being killed.

7thangel

From your response, the one being killed also includes the doctor being killed by the shooter.

In this case, the society has something to say about the judtification. Unless with utmost certainty, that such chain reaction would not occur.

Such case of analysis is seldom undealt concerning morality.

Thieving Magpie

Let me put it this way:

Do you know how animals die?

Heifer whines could be human cries when, closer comes the screaming knife. You see, the flesh you so fancifully fry, is not succulent, tasty, or kind. It's death for no reason - and death for no reason is murder. And did you know that that calf that you carve with a smile is murder? And how about the turkey you festively slice? That is murder! Kitchen aromas aren't very homely. It's not comforting, cheery, or kind. It's sizzling blood and unholy stench of murder. It's not natural, normal, or kind; the flesh you so fancifully fry. Think of the meat in your mouth, as you savour the flavour of murder.

NO, NO, NO, IT'S MURDER
NO, NO, NO, IT'S MURDER

Oh.. and who hears when animals cry?

..........

I guess what I'm trying to say is that 'meat is murder.'

Thank you, and good night!

Defiant Heretic

Murder is:
1. Killing someone
2. Intentionally
3. Against their wishes
4. Not based on self-preservation

Oh, and the meat thing fits in the last category. We need to eat to live, and vegetables aren’t enough for all of us.

Thieving Magpie

Yeah.. I uh... I don't actually think meat is murder...

I was making an allusion to a song called 'Meat is Murder.'

Meat is delicious.. that's all I have to say about that.

Some Loser

Murder is the intentional killing of some living thing that does not want you to kill it.

Note, however, that just because something is murder does not mean it should be illegal. By the definition I gave, killing a roach is murder. It is up to us to decide if the murder is an acceptable one or unacceptable one. In other words, was the thing that was murdered a "higher" form of life? (Very much open to interpretation, I know)

Captain_Proton

If I experience extreme self-hatred, and feel the need to punish myself by killing myself in manner that would maximize the amount pain I endure, is that considered murder?
I supposed the means of doing so could be considered immoral. But if I, as autonomous entity, wishes to do so with my own life, is it considered "immoral"?

malpensante

killing is the act of ending the life cycle of an organism, whether the actor is the organism whose life ends or another.

murder is a subset of killing, when applied to some human cases where the actor is a human. a lion eating a human is not called murder but is very similar.

murder applies to the cases where this human killing is socially punible (most of the cases with involvement of the state law). you can't punish a dead murderer or a suicide, but you still might feel the need for punibility, and that's where god's wrath, and/or the punishing of a suicide's or dead murderer's family come in. the human eating lion is not a "murderer", but is still punished, so, the reason we don't call him murderer is because the punishing is different: state law doesn't have to be involved

abe smith

um.... tangential flicker:
Y'know how in Genesis the story of Cain & Abel?
I'd just like to offend all true believers by pointing-out
that the FIRST murderer was *ABEL*, who killed animals to sacrifice to that bloodyminded deity of theirs (a MYTH, of course; invented by a pastoral group). And from whom CAIN (who's had a very bad press ever- since )LEARNED about killing. *ABEL* drew the first blood.
Eh, think about it. Jews find my observation offensive, I believe.

Thieving Magpie

I would assume that Jews actually find your observation idiotic, as the mere act of killing is not what they consider murder. It is the WRONGFUL killing of a PERSON that is murder. Animal sacrifices were neither WRONGFUL, and they certainly were not PEOPLE in early Judaism.