Starboy

This is addressed to all Christians:

What can be done and is acceptable in the name of god, if it is for a good cause in the eyes of god of course?

Deceit? Dishonesty? Deflection? Equivocation?

How far can you go to convert someone to Christianity? Is anything up for grabs? Does god forgive all the sins of those who proselytize? Or is dishonesty just fine as far as god is concerned?

I ask this because it has been my observation that most Christians that visit these boards are not constrained by such niceties.

Starboy

K

Starboy:

I think you may be on to something. While I don't believe it's true of all Christians or even all Christians who come to these boards, there does seem to be a percentage of Christians who replace the desire for personal integrity with their "greater cause".

RJS

of course not.

God will forgive the sins of all with repentance. I don't see how sinning (including dishonesty) while sharing the Gospel would be pleasing "in God's eyes". Forgivable, yes. Acceptable, no.

Although I am sure you are getting there, you should provide some specific examples. Be careful to make sure it is not just a sin in "your eyes" but God's.

K

RJS:

I think that's part of Starboy's point. How can an atheist know what's a sin in God's eyes when there are Christians who claim that dishonesty is a sin but still use it to try to convert atheists to Christianity. That's why he asked if such a technique was a sin in God's eyes.

I personally don't believe that most Christians who post here are dishonest. There are a couple though.

Starboy

K,

When they are pushed they become dishonest. They equivocate and deflect. They do not have the basic integrety to say "I don't know" or "I take it on faith" or even "I was wrong". As an example I offer:

<a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=45&t=001176" target="_blank">Topic: Can a believer be a Freethinker?</a>

Only GeoTheo rose to the test. I admit I was hard, but I was conducting an experiment in Christian moral fiber.

Starboy

Starboy

RJS,

So is this the mechanism invoked in the court of god? Knowing while you do wrong that it is OK because you will be forgiven?

Fascinating. Does Christian dishonesty start by learning how to put words into the mouth of god? Or can’t god speak for its self?

Isn't that where is all begins. There is no god, but in the minds of men. It's all down hill from there, lie after lie to cover the lie before it.

Starboy

Belle

Preach Brother! Preach!

Starboy

Sorry about the preaching, perhaps I shouldn't let Christians get to me. I have this crazy hope that perhaps one day when I get out of bed this 2,000 year old Christian nightmare will be over.

Starboy

HelenM

Unlikely, so, I do think it would be advantageous to you to learn how to not let them get to you.

Not letting people get to you is a useful life skill, so I've found. Although I'm still working on it.

take care
Helen

RJS

I say

you say

Although dishonesty is fairly black and white (with respect to sin - at least thats my take )
the rest of this stuff is what I was expecting was going on. Christians not satisfying you in the discussions. I am probably not satisfying that right now. But I do many times say "It's faith based" or "I don't know". Of course, there are usually 10 immediate posts ripping apart such admissions. I also am frustrated by "answers" to questions I pose. I many times feel like posters are hiding behind science, similar to the believer hiding behind faith.

As an example, I pose a question like "What do you think caused the Big Bang" - and the response I get is usually something like "the question in nonsensical because science has shown that since we can't measure time in such small increments, once we trace back to 10 to the -47 of a second after the BB, then nothing prior is relevant" (or something like that). But that reply from such person isnt a sin.