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Old 07-07-2003, 04:53 PM   #61
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Magus,

You said:

"NO ONE is innocent. Apparently you haven't learned that yet."

Right. Let's speak cases.

Please tell me precisely what guilt I carry.

No messing around, now. I would like dates, times, places etc. You're the one making the claim, so please back it up.
You sin on a daily basis. Sin is a crime that you are guilty for.
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Old 07-07-2003, 04:57 PM   #62
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Could you explain to me how you justify identifying Catholic doctrine as heretical? They are the only church which has maintained a direct line of apostolic tradition through the centuries. How can the original church your denomination is a derivative of be classified as heretical? If anything, you are the heretic!

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Well, my denomination has nothing to do with the Catholic church.

Its classified as heretical because we are told to test all traditions of man against the Bible. The doctrines of the RCC fail the test miserably.

2Ti 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Mar 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

The Catholic church is based on tradition, not scripture. Too many doctrines in the RCC that are completely opposed to the Bible. Thats why its a heresy.
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Old 07-07-2003, 04:59 PM   #63
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[fundy mode]
Crime 1: Being born.
Crime 2: Not worshipping Jesus.
Crime 3: Not worshipping the Father.
Crime 4: Not worshipping the Holy Spook.
Crime 5: Being your father's son/daughter.
Crime 6: Being your mother's son/daughter.
[/fundy mode]

How was that, Magus? Rather accurate?
Nope, do I have to put you on ignore again? You sarcasm and insults are tiring. How about just not replying?
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Old 07-07-2003, 05:02 PM   #64
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But Jesus was baptised in water, so unless you want to claim that what Jesus did was worthless, your argument fails.

Baptising someone in fire (hell) does nothing except turn them to ash. No remedial value whatsoever.
When did i say Baptism was useless? Its a commandment, and an outward sign of our inner change. But, it has nothing to do with being saved. Baptism comes after being saved, not before.

Its spiritual fire, not literal. Fire is what is used to cleanse things of sin and evil. God will destroy the world with fire in revelation and then recreate it perfect. Jesus cleanses your soul with the fire of the Holy Spirit, so you are saved in Him, and not consumed by sin.
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Did you bother to read it? Its the scriptural explanation of what I just said. You can't be in the middle ( lukewarm) - you are either Hot or Cold, for God or against, and God knows this. Those who are lukewarm haven't made a decision ( this may refer to Agnostics) and will be counted towards the cold side. They wont win any "points" with God for saying, I don't know and don't really care.
Yeah, I read it, and in the passage Jesus himself seems to directly contradict your claim that "[y]ou can't be in the middle (lukewarm) - you are either Hot or Cold, for God or against, and God knows this". What he does to those he finds lukewarm is of no consequence. And Jesus sure as hell wasn't addressing agnostics; this was addressed to the Church at Laodicea.
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Did you bother to read it? Its the scriptural explanation of what I just said. You can't be in the middle ( lukewarm) - you are either Hot or Cold, for God or against, and God knows this. Those who are lukewarm haven't made a decision ( this may refer to Agnostics) and will be counted towards the cold side. They wont win any "points" with God for saying, I don't know and don't really care.
Your god has thus automatically condemned anyone he has given a rational, questioning mind, for if there is any doubt, it's cold side to them. All or nothing. Is designing someone to naturally fail at your test of faith a breach of free will?

Heaven will be filled with sheeple, and nothing more.
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Well, my denomination has nothing to do with the Catholic church.
Your cult is an offshoot of the Southern Baptists of the United States, which in turn is an offshoot of the Baptist Church of the United States which in turn is an offshoot of the Baptist Church of England, which in turn is an offshoot of the Church of England, which is an offshoot of the Roman Catholic Church.

I may have left out an offshoot or two but it's pretty clear that you are the one involved in heresy and not the Catholics.
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Well, my denomination has nothing to do with the Catholic church.
Your cult is an offshoot of the Southern Baptists of the United States, which in turn is an offshoot of the Baptist Church of the United States which in turn is an offshoot of the Baptist Church of England, which in turn is an offshoot of the Church of England, which is an offshoot of the Roman Catholic Church.

I may have left out an offshoot or two but it's pretty clear that you are the one involved in heresy and not the Catholics.
No it isn't. I had never even heard of Southern Baptists when i became a Messianic Jew. I was born a Jew, and i worship Jesus Christ as the Messiah - hence Messianic Jew - I have nothing to do with Southern Baptists and could really care less what your opinion on the matter is.
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The Catholic church is based on tradition, not scripture. Too many doctrines in the RCC that are completely opposed to the Bible. Thats why its a heresy.
Magus, the RCC essentially DECIDED what was scripture.

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Nope, do I have to put you on ignore again? You sarcasm and insults are tiring. How about just not replying?
[God Voice]Nope, do I need to send you to Hell again? YouR (get your grammar right, you're a disgrace to me) sarcasm and insults are tiring. How about just not replying?[/God Voice]

Magus, if you truly have a problem, report my posts to the moderators. When they tell me to stop, I will.

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You sin on a daily basis. Sin is a crime that you are guilty for.
Yes, and sin includes perfectly natural acts such as urinating. You worship such a primitive cunthole of a deity?
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Old 07-07-2003, 06:21 PM   #70
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No it isn't. I had never even heard of Southern Baptists when i became a Messianic Jew. I was born a Jew, and i worship Jesus Christ as the Messiah - hence Messianic Jew - I have nothing to do with Southern Baptists and could really care less what your opinion on the matter is.
I was raised Southern Baptist and I do have to admit that the doctrine you advocate and the doctrine they advocate are pretty much identical. Southern Baptists are a big part of the reason Messianic Judaism has been even remotely successful...at least in the U.S.
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