marylandnaturegirl

Evolution isn't a theory!

We have over 10 months to prepare for the NEXT Darwin Day.

Why don't you start NOW planning events for Darwin Day so that eventually, someday we won't have nearly as many creationists to contend with as perhaps more will have woken up to reality by then?

Go to the following site for information about Darwin Day and some great ideas of events to have on Darwin Day.
Some are educational, others are social like "Darwin in the Pub".


Darwin Day Website


Take ACTION, plan now.

I am not affiliated with Darwin Day but I think its a great site and
events happen worldwide.

You can also buy Darwin Day items on their site.


Some other sites to check out if you want to meet people in the real world that WON'T be deluded in to buying creationism are:

International Atheists Meetup Day
International Skeptics Meetup Day
International Agnostics Meetup Day

Lobstrosity

Everything in science is a theory. Science can give us nothing but theories. The minute you say something isn't a theory you put it outside the reach of science and make it a religion. That's a big no no.

ageofreason2000

Seconded

Age

marylandnaturegirl

Good cripes, you people live for debate don't you! LOL.

I happen to be a scientist and to say everything is a theory is ridiculous and just a way to be agnostic about everything in life.

1+1=2 is a fact and its also part of science.

Evolution is no longer considered a "theory". I realize that is what most of you folks are here to squabble over, but I don't want to waste my time on that.

I'm not hear to bicker over semantics any how. Just spreading a dose of reality.

I won't take the bait, or the condescension of people that think there is no way to know anything. I know I'm alive (or is that just a theory too. LOL)

You guys crack me up.

That's why I don't bother coming to these debate groups to debate. Just to inform. Have fun debating without me however. Ironic how someone "stops" by here to try to do a good thing and you immediately jump on me. Typical crowd I suppose to be hanging out here, the argumentative kind that love trying to belittle everyone else and everyone else's thoughts and comments.

Bait not taken.

Love and kisses,

Hope to see the atheists at the atheists meetups. Hope the attitudes are left at the door.

Duvenoy

Chill mary, chill. It ain't that big of a deal.

Yeah, we're pretty picky and love to scrap here, stickaround around anyway. We can be a lot of fun.

Re: Darwin Day, I don't go out and shoot off fireworks (though it'd be a good excuse) over it. But I and probably many others here quietly observe it. Which is what it deserves -- Darwin, great thinker and researcher that he was, is still not a god.

What is your field of study?

doov

Lobstrosity

Then let me nit pick some more (nothing personal). Math is a tool used by science, but it is not science itself. Math defines its own universe beforehand in the form of axioms that are asserted to be true. All other derivations follow from that. As such math has absolute facts and contains "proofs." Science does not define the universe beforehand. It seeks to explain this universe. There is no such thing as a scientific proof. Scientific "laws" only exist within the framework of a given theory. As Stephen Hawking puts it:

"In order to talk about the nature of the universe and to discuss questions such as whether it has a beginning or an end, you have to be clear about what a scientific theory is. I shall take the simple-minded view that a theory is just a model of the universe, or a restricted part of it, and a set of rules that relate quantities in the model to observations that we make. It exists only in our minds and does not have any other reality (whatever that might mean). A theory is a good theory if it satisfies two requirements: It must accurately describe a large class of observations on the basis of a model that contains only a few arbitrary elements, and it must make definite predictions about the results of future observations.
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"Any physical theory is always provisional, in the sense that it is only a hypothesis: you can never prove it. No matter how many times the results of an experiment agree with some theory, you can never be sure that the next time the result will not contradict the theory. On the other hand, you can disprove a theory by finding even a single observation that disagrees with the predictions of the theory. As philosopher Karl Popper has emphasized, a good theory is characterized by the fact that it makes a number of predictions that could in principle be disproved or falsified by observation. Each time new experiments are observed to agree with the predictions the theory survives, and our convidence in it is increased; but if ever a new observation is found to disagree, we have to abandon or modify the theory. At least that is what is supposed to happen, but you can always question the competence of the person who carried out the observation."

In science everything is theory; nothing is proven. All we can do is have a variable level of confidence in any given theory. This confidence can be quite high, but it can never be 100%. The minute a scientist forgets this is the minute that scientist stops searching for the truth. I'm not trying to bait you (I honestly don't care about your reaction, I'm just saying this because I feel it needs to be said), I'm not trying to belittle you, and I'm not arguing mere semantics. I only responded because your statement is the same kind of unscientific crap that is spouted by creationists and I don't like it when evolutionists sink to that level just to compete. We have to be better than that. If an evolutionist goes onto a creationist board and proclaims that evolution is not a theory, he is doing more harm than good. As a scientist myself, I don't like to see the capabilities of science misrepresented. It irks me to see people wield the powers of science irresponsibly to assert truths they cannot validly assert.

ageofreason2000

And Thirded

As a non scientist I have nothing but respect for science.

The idea of not taking things on face value and wondering what the agenda is of those who try to sell you their ideology is, to me, second nature.
To my view science is totally honest in its intentions, it's purpose is nothing more nor less than seeking truth (with the caveat that truth is ultimately only in the eye of the beholder).

Some will always use science to fit with their personnal "truth", but unlike religion it does not muddle guilt nor hearsay with that which is simply observed.


Darwin Day is a nice idea, but wouldn't Darwin, as a Victorian, be somewhat embarrassed with all the fuss.

Age

RufusAtticus

Evolution is both a fact and a theory. The fact of evolution is that the properties of populations and lineages of organisms, or frequencies of such properties, change over time. The theory of evolution explains this observation by identifying mechanisms that are responsible for it. Such mechanisms include mutation, natural selection, genetic drift, and isolation. Evolution operates on and is observable in populations

Lobstrosity

Exactly, we've observed that the genomes of species can change over the course of many generations. This observation means that such change is an established fact. Evolution is much more than this, however. It's a theory that postulates a highly-specific mechanism as the cause of this change. This is what scientists refer to when they talk about the theory of evolution. This is where research is being conducted and ideas are being solidified, revisited, modified, and created.

ajm51987

Aww, the gift shop dosen't have shirts.