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xian · 03-26-2003, 11:49 AM

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Originally posted by Hawkingfan
xian,

Please explain why the Islamic GPB (Allah) sends followers of the J/C GPB to hell and vice versa.

because Allah is not the GPB, and has lesser attributes than the GPB.

Hawkingfan · 03-26-2003, 11:49 AM

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Originally posted by xian
because Allah is not the GPB, and has lesser attributes than the GPB.

No he doesn't.

Hawkingfan · 03-26-2003, 11:51 AM

And what if I was to tell you the IPU will send you to hell for calling him the J/C GPB. According to what the IPU tells me, J/C GPB is lesser than he is.

Mageth · 03-26-2003, 11:52 AM

because Allah is not the GPB, and has lesser attributes than the GPB.

Seems to be a bit of a non-answer, but...

Allah as the GPB is "holistically" based on the OT and Muslim scriptures, is it not?

xian · 03-26-2003, 11:54 AM

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Originally posted by Hawkingfan
And what if I was to tell you the IPU will send you to hell for calling him the J/C GPB. According to what the IPU tells me, J/C GPB is lesser than he is.

would be impossible. since your IPU is not the GPB.

If it is the GPB, it would be the J/C God.

furthermore, I wouldn't believe you anyway, and I would say that you made that up.

Mageth · 03-26-2003, 11:57 AM

Could you at least give one or two scriptures to back each of these attributes of the GPB you've defined (hopefully that indicate the "greatest possible" quality of the attributes):

infinite
unlimited
independent
sovereign
moral
omnipotent (properly defined)
omniscient

And perhaps one or two that would lead one to combine these into a being that is indeed the GPB?

That doesn't seem too much of a task.

xian · 03-26-2003, 11:57 AM

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Originally posted by Mageth
because Allah is not the GPB, and has lesser attributes than the GPB.

Seems to be a bit of a non-answer, but...

Allah as the GPB is "holistically" based on the OT and Muslim scriptures, is it not?

it is not a non answer at all. i have tried holistic arguments before in internet forums...it is futile. utterly futile. where no single part of a holistic argument is enough in and of itself to conclude the premises, yet when people rebut holistic arguments they piece-meal them like a butcher chopping up ground beef, tearing them up into shredded confetti. It is a futile endeavor to say the least. Atheists (in my experience) just do not grant credence to holistic arguments, which is unfortunate.

Allah is not holistically the GPB in Islam. Allah is a contradiction.

Hawkingfan · 03-26-2003, 11:58 AM

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Originally posted by xian
would be impossible. since your IPU is not the GPB.

If it is the GPB, it would be the J/C God.

furthermore, I wouldn't believe you anyway, and I would say that you made that up.

It is possible. Since your J/C God is not the GPB.

If he was the GPB, it would be the IPU.

Furthermore, I don't believe you, becuase the J/C GPB is obviously made up.

xian · 03-26-2003, 12:00 PM

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Originally posted by Hawkingfan
It is possible. Since your J/C God is not the GPB.

If he was the GPB, it would be the IPU.

Furthermore, I don't believe you, becuase the J/C GPB is obviously made up.

I see you using the "IPU" here as a strawman.

Define IPU

Mageth · 03-26-2003, 12:00 PM

Allah is not holistically the GPB in Islam. Allah is a contradiction.

It sounds like you're guilty of doing to Holistic GPB Allah arguments what you accuse atheists of doing to Holistic GPB J/C god arguments.

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03-26-2003, 11:51 AM	#313
Hawkingfan Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,247	And what if I was to tell you the IPU will send you to hell for calling him the J/C GPB. According to what the IPU tells me, J/C GPB is lesser than he is.

03-26-2003, 11:52 AM	#314
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	because Allah is not the GPB, and has lesser attributes than the GPB. Seems to be a bit of a non-answer, but... Allah as the GPB is "holistically" based on the OT and Muslim scriptures, is it not?

03-26-2003, 11:57 AM	#316
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	Could you at least give one or two scriptures to back each of these attributes of the GPB you've defined (hopefully that indicate the "greatest possible" quality of the attributes): infinite unlimited independent sovereign moral omnipotent (properly defined) omniscient And perhaps one or two that would lead one to combine these into a being that is indeed the GPB? That doesn't seem too much of a task.

03-26-2003, 12:00 PM	#320
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	Allah is not holistically the GPB in Islam. Allah is a contradiction. It sounds like you're guilty of doing to Holistic GPB Allah arguments what you accuse atheists of doing to Holistic GPB J/C god arguments.

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