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Old 04-06-2003, 02:05 PM   #71
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But what about the parts of the body that weren't just decayed, but became something else? like you tell us that we don't care about being worm food, so what about a body that had some of its atoms eaten by worms, becoming part of that worm? How do those atoms get back to the body without hurting the worms? What if that worm got eaten by a bird? Is god going to destroy the poor little bird, just to get back the worm, so he can get back the decayed atoms to build the dead guy again?? Poor little bird.
Even worse, what if it became the body of a then living good Christian?
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But what about the parts of the body that weren't just decayed, but became something else? like you tell us that we don't care about being worm food, so what about a body that had some of its atoms eaten by worms, becoming part of that worm? How do those atoms get back to the body without hurting the worms? What if that worm got eaten by a bird? Is god going to destroy the poor little bird, just to get back the worm, so he can get back the decayed atoms to build the dead guy again?? Poor little bird.
I get the feeling you are poking fun at me and this concept, as opposed to sincerely asking but i'll answer anyway.

God can easily recreate anything that was lost. He isn't gonna kill someone who has the organ of a dead person just to ressurect them. He will probably just build a new body. Of course, I also don't know whether we actually will have normal organs, since they aren't needed. Don't need oxygen, sleep, food, nutrients, or water in Heaven ( although you can eat, sleep and drink if you want). Why is this such an important thing for you to question?

God is omnipotent, He will ressurect the dead and the living and give them perfect bodies. Thats all we need to know, how He actually does it is beyond human comprehension.
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Good point. What if the worm was eaten by a turkey, who got eaten at a good Christian home on Christmas?

But I much prefer to say "poor little bird" than "poor little christian". I just can't bring myself to do that.
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I get the feeling you are poking fun at me and this concept, as opposed to sincerely asking but i'll answer anyway.
Magus55, consider yourself lucky that all we do is poke fun at your rediculous Christian ideas. Just be glad that we do not accuse you of being the fraud that you are, trying to pass this nonsense off as "truth" when you don't even have any evidence that there is a god let alone that the bible has anything to do with it.

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Magus, I will be serious here, since you replied seriously to me. The point of my post was to show how silly the bodily resurrection thoughts are, as they completely discount the entire food chain process. I realize you think it is not, as god can do anything, including make entire new organs. In which case, why would he need to resurrect any part of the bodies at all instead of just creating entirely new full bodies? Why the half and half?

And the question isn't important to me. The question is why is it so important to you? If you were dealing with simply spiritual resurrection, I could probably deal with that, but you're bringing dead bodies into it. Why? Why are bodies needed for your resurrection? What is more important, the soul or the body? If the soul is eternal, as you like to say, then what does it need an outer shell for? As you said "Don't need oxygen, sleep, food, nutrients, or water in Heaven", why go that far and not throw out the entire body as well?
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Magus55, consider yourself lucky that all we do is poke fun at your rediculous Christian ideas. Just be glad that we do not accuse you of being the fraud that you are, trying to pass this nonsense off as "truth" when you don't even have any evidence that there is a god let alone that the bible has anything to do with it.

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Well, some of you have basically done that too. It doesn't surprise me at all as I said. I didn't think atheists were quite this bad, but just shows me even more how bad this world is where people insult each other for having different beliefs. Have i said you guys are idiots or stupid for not believing in God? Then why the insults because I do? The majority of this board is for the purpose of discussing God, and since Christianity is the primary religion, you are gonna get more christians than anything else here. If all you guys want to do here is insult, humiliate, ridicule and hate the Christians who come here, why have the majority of the board discussing that which you oppose? If its because you all just love insulting people and making them feel stupid, obviously you aren't such "good, golden rule" following people afterall.
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Magus, I will be serious here, since you replied seriously to me. The point of my post was to show how silly the bodily resurrection thoughts are, as they completely discount the entire food chain process. I realize you think it is not, as god can do anything, including make entire new organs. In which case, why would he need to resurrect any part of the bodies at all instead of just creating entirely new full bodies? Why the half and half?

And the question isn't important to me. The question is why is it so important to you? If you were dealing with simply spiritual resurrection, I could probably deal with that, but you're bringing dead bodies into it. Why? Why are bodies needed for your resurrection? What is more important, the soul or the body? If the soul is eternal, as you like to say, then what does it need an outer shell for? As you said "Don't need oxygen, sleep, food, nutrients, or water in Heaven", why go that far and not throw out the entire body as well?
To be honest with you, I don't know the reason for the body being ressurected. I can guess and say that the body is the temple for the soul, so its of secondary importance and since God will eventually destroy the earth and rebuild, maybe He doesn't want to desicrate believers bodies? Also, the physical body may be so we can experience sensations and be able to eat/drink should we chose and God wants us to have our own bodies, just in a perfected form. Jesus was ressurected in his real body, so obviously its important. Why, I don't know.
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The majority of this board is for the purpose of discussing God, and since Christianity is the primary religion, you are gonna get more christians than anything else here.
Uh, Magus, did you read the front page of this site where it states in quite plain English that this site is dedicated to discussion of secular humanism and naturalism? Your suggestion that the majority viewpoint here is Christian is patently absurd. But I suppose that if you can believe in a bronze-age sky diety and all the baggage that comes with it, you can pretty much twist reality to whatever you goddamned, jolly-well please.
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Uh, Magus, did you read the front page of this site where it states in quite plain English that this site is dedicated to discussion of secular humanism and naturalism? Your suggestion that the majority viewpoint here is Christian is patently absurd. But I suppose that if you can believe in a bronze-age sky diety and all the baggage that comes with it, you can pretty much twist reality to whatever you goddamned, jolly-well please.
Existance of God, Bible Criticism and Archaeology, General Religious Discussions, Non-Abrahamic religions - boy do they call out for debates between secular humanists...

If this whole board was about secular humanism, those forums shouldn't be here since secular humanists don't believe in God.
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Existance of God, Bible Criticism and Archaeology, General Religious Discussions, Non-Abrahamic religions - boy do they call out for debates between secular humanists...

If this whole board was about secular humanism, those forums shouldn't be here since secular humanists don't believe in God.
A clue for Magus55: a person can discuss something that he doesn't actually believe. Also, there are many flavors of secular humanists just as there are many denominations of Christianity.
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