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edoggsmooth · 04-16-2002, 04:16 PM

The following is an email that I sent to US Senate hopeful, from Tennessee, June Griffin. She is an advocate of displaying the Ten Commnadments in public buildings, among other religious subjects. (More can be read about her at <a href="http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentID=16065" target="_blank">www.freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentID=16065</a>) Following the email is her response.

>Dear Mrs. Griffin,
>
>In reading about your bid for the US Senate on the
>Internet ( <a href="http://www.friendsofliberty.com/campaign/032802.htm" target="_blank">http://www.friendsofliberty.com/campaign/032802.htm</a> ),
>you have proven to me just how ignorant you are.
>
>You say that you will stand by the US Constitution,
>when it is obvious that you haven't even read
>Amendment Number 1: "Congress shall make no law
>respecting an establishment of religion, or
>prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging
>the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right
>of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition
>the Government for a redress of grievances." The
>separation of church and state allows all Americans
>(not just the majority of people that you hope to
>represent) the freedom to practice ANY religion that
>they choose, or no religion at all, without government influence.
>Displaying the 10 Commandments in public buildings and participating in
>a "Back to God" movement would rival such religious states as the
>Islamic State of Iran. Would your movement get the
>same reaction if you had proposed posting parts of the
>Koran in public places and participating in a "Back to
>Allah" movement?
>
>You also state that you would "work to close the
>borders of the United States by all lawful means and
>rectify the hideous invasion by those who do not love
>God and the United States." This country was founded
>by immigrants whose main focus wasn't God, it was
>making a better life for themselves and their
>families. I'm sure that your family has a similar
>story, as I doubt they are all Native Americans. "The
>hideous invasion of those who do not love God" has
>been going on since the Pilgrims arrived. Were it not
>for religious persecution in their home country, many
>great Americans would have never arrived. Someone's
>religious affliction should not have any bearing on
>their freedom to enter the greatest country in the
>world.
>
>Finally, you say, in the words of Evangelist Billy
>Sunday, that "traitors should be dispatched by the
>firing squad." Fundamentally, this is a clear
>violation of "Thou shalt not kill." But as far as that commandment
>goes, we see that many times "laws from God" have been legitimized to
>do whatever humans want to. Also, as far as traitors go, Scripture
>says that Peter denied Jesus not once, not twice but three times
>when he was being crucified. Instead of meeting a
>firing squad, Peter was awarded with becoming the Pope
>after Jesus' death. Hypocrisy ? Clearly.
>
>I hope the citizens of Tennessee have more sense than
>to vote for a ignorant, hateful person like yourself.
>
>Sincerely,
>Ed Miller

Thank you for your loving note. Meanwhile, I am going to conquer the hateful and mean income tax cruelty which has destroyed untold millions of people and businesses. I can argue my points, having spent a lot of time considering them in light of our heritage but at this moment I have to get back to work.

Thanks for writing.

I have found that the MAJORITY of Tennessee agrees with me, however, I am not the kind of person to whom folks will GIVE money, therefore I will probably be rejected by the party-lovers.

June Griffin

Edited by Toto to fix links

[ April 16, 2002: Message edited by: Toto ]

Toto · 04-16-2002, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by edoggsmooth:
"I have found that the MAJORITY of Tennessee agrees with me, however, I am not the kind of person to whom folks will GIVE money, therefore I will probably be rejected by the party-lovers.

June Griffin"

Thank the IPU for that!

Viti · 04-16-2002, 05:13 PM

Uh Oh...where in Tennessee is she from?....If she is from Sparta, I'll bet anything she's some sort of distant cousin!

RufusAtticus · 04-16-2002, 05:15 PM

Ahh, she has already mastered the politician's art of avoiding the question.

What a maroon!

Toto · 04-16-2002, 05:24 PM

From her <a href="http://www.friendsofliberty.com/campaign/032802.htm" target="_blank">bio</a>:

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June Griffin (Peggy C.)(Rev. Housewife)

Born July 15, 1939. Cincinnati, Ohio at Christ's Hospital, while parents attended God's Bible School. Tennessean since a month old, residing in Chattanooga, with interlude for five years in Lexington, Kentucky, where her husband worked for IBM as a part of the development team for their copy machine, then moved to Tennessee and now resides in Dayton, TN.

Married 41 years to J. B. Griffin, Owner and Technician, Jay Bee Dental Laboratory

Mother of two children, seven grandchildren

Tennessee Patriot

Co-Owner and General Flunkie, Jay Bee Dental Lab

Formerly employed in secretarial postions, ending public stenographic duties as Staff Assistant at the University of Kentucky and Secretary to Adams-Frazier-Anderson, Consulting Engineers in Lexington, Kentucky

Publisher of Early American History and other Periodicals under Old Path Publishers

Founder of Citizens for Decency in Taxation Columnist, " Tenn. Mockingbird" for THE PEOPLE OF BRADLEY COUNTY Inaugural and Four-Time Recipient of the Annual BILL OF RIGHTS AWARD

Recipient of Merit Award, Militia of Georgia

Chaplain and Member, American Legion Auxiliary, Unit 159, Hixson, Tenn.

Member, East Tennessee Historical Society and the John Sevier Assn.

Four-time candidate for public office

Author and composer of more than 300 hymns, songs and poems, including DEBORAH'S SONG from Judges 5, and ESTHER AND MORDECAI

Political Firebrand, urging all leadership to uphold American standards

Owner, Pearl's Curiosities

Pro Se Litigant in defense of the Estate of Peggy Cook Cobb, My Mother

Pro Se Litigant arguing for God and the Bible before the Tennessee Court of Appeals in Tennessee's sodomy case, Campbell v. Sundquist, 1994.

Perpetual student and Lecturer of Early American History

Captain, Cold Water Army

Member, Citizen-Soldiers for the Atomic Bomb

Bible teacher

Author of the Ten Commandments Resolution adopted by Tennessee Counties

Representative of God and Country at the United Nations Millenium Religious Summit

Ordained minister and pastor,THE AMERICAN BIBLE PROTESTANT CHURCH.

Open and closing Prayer at the Tennessee Bicentennial, Washington, DC

Volunteer to Tennessee County Commissions, now garnering Tennessee Counties for the Ten Commandments Resolution - 82 to date.

You can't make this up. Pro se litigant in a sodomy case? Citizen-soldiers for the atomic bomb?? And she still has time to fight other relatives over her mother's estate.

hezekiah jones · 04-16-2002, 06:00 PM

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Originally posted by Toto:
You can't make this up. Pro se litigant in a sodomy case? Citizen-soldiers for the atomic bomb?? And she still has time to fight other relatives over her mother's estate.

Hahahaha.

Evidently the case Campbell v. Sundquist, 926 S.W.2d 250 (1996) had to do with a challenge to Tennessee's "Homosexual Practices Act."

Sadly, God, the Bible, and Peggy June Griffin of Dayton, TN took one up the ass, so to speak, on this one:

Quote:

Pursuant to this state's constitution and constitutional jurisprudence, we conclude that our citizens' fundamental right to privacy ("the right to be let alone") encompasses the right of the plaintiffs to engage in consensual, private, non-commercial, sexual conduct, because that activity "involv[es] intimate questions of personal and family concern." Therefore, we hold that the Homosexual Practices Act, T.C.A. � 39-13-510, which criminalizes such conduct, is unconstitutional.

Per Judge W. Frank Crawford, Court of Appeals of Tennessee, Western Section, at Nashville.

[ April 16, 2002: Message edited by: hezekiahjones ]

beachbum · 04-17-2002, 06:35 AM

This is one scarey lady

Tennessee Patriot

Recipient of Merit Award, Militia of Georgia

Political Firebrand, urging all leadership to uphold American standards

Captain, Cold Water Army

Member, Citizen-Soldiers for the Atomic Bomb

Author of the Ten Commandments Resolution adopted by Tennessee Counties

Representative of God and Country at the United Nations Millenium Religious Summit

Ordained minister and pastor,THE AMERICAN BIBLE PROTESTANT CHURCH.

Volunteer to Tennessee County Commissions, now garnering Tennessee Counties for the Ten Commandments Resolution - 82 to date

Not only is she a Captain in the Cold Water Army but also a member of Citizen Soldier for the Atomic Bomb. If I lived in Tennessee I would have my house on the market by the end of business, yesterday and be moving.

cartman · 04-17-2002, 06:56 AM

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Originally posted by beachbum:
If I lived in Tennessee I would have my house on the market by the end of business, yesterday and be moving

Don't think haven't given it serious consideration!

But I'll be damned if I'm going to let fundamentalist kooks run me off! She may have succeeded in getting my not-too-bright county commissioners to go along with her 10C nonsense, but she doesn't stand a chance in hell of getting elected.

Toto · 04-17-2002, 11:27 AM

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Originally posted by cartman:

...she doesn't stand a chance in hell of getting elected.

That's the main bright spot here. Her host web site ("<a href="http://www.friendsofliberty.com/index.html" target="_blank">Friends of Liberty</a>" is an ardently pro-militia site. They talk about the Bill of Rights, but the only part they care about is the Second Amendment. Timothy McVeigh's escapade took the wind out of the militias.

But it is amazing how one 62 year old woman can grab the spotlight through shear fanaticism and energy.

I almost decided she was a parody - but I found her name on the court case filings for Campbell v. Sundquist, and there really is a group <a href="http://www.oakridger.com/stories/091201/new_0912010055.html" target="_blank">"Citizen Soldiers for the Atomic Bomb"</a> which spends its time running counter demonstrations to anti-nuke demonstrations:

<a href="http://www.nonviolence.org/nukeresister/nr121/nr121oakridge.html" target="_blank">From Nonviolence.org</a>

Quote:

Preceding the action, the march on the plant was met at the site by a couple of dozen members of the group Citizen Soldiers for the Atomic Bomb. Group "commander" Stacy Griffin told the press, "Why do we let this go on? What they are doing is treason. They don't love this country."

and <a href="http://www.stopthebombs.org/orepa/hiroshima2000.html" target="_blank">from stopthebombs.org</a>

Quote:

Arriving at the Y-12 plant marchers found a counter-protest, complete with bullhorn mounted on top of a van, by Citizen Soldiers for the Atomic Bomb. The counter protesters numbered less than two dozen, but they made up in decibels what they lacked in numbers. City police had to be chided into enforcing local noise ordinances in compelling the martial music and anti-peace, anti-tax, anti-government hate sermons proclaimed by June Griffin, leader of the Citizen Soldiers.

And check out this <a href="http://www.oakridger.com/stories/081501/opE_0815010038.html" target="_blank">letter to the editor</a> (scroll down) where she refers to "the unalienable gift of God in the Bill of Rights.":

Quote:

To The Oak Ridger:

This letter is in response to the motley crew that protested the atomic bomb we justly dropped on Hiroshima and to address the problems which are a result of the scholastic confusion concerning the Bill of Rights.

During the last 40 years, our good people have been the victim of warped education which taught that every kind of conduct is given a freeway under the First Amendment. We have been spun around with inane and ridiculous toleration until dignified Americans stand in horror at the perversion of the Bill of Rights, and many have been so charmed as to think that this was the reason our veterans offered their lives!

As four-time recipient of the annual Bill of Rights award, it has been my legacy to know not only our history but to make right applications of the intent and application of the Bill of Rights.

It is important to remember that those who gave us the Bill of Rights showed their intent to secure these rights with the right to bear arms.

None of those who steal the umbrella of these holy Rights are ever armed and are vocal opponents of our gun rights, with few exceptions. Why don't they gear up and get up their courage and have it out?

. . .

For God and country.

June Griffin
Dayton
Citizen-Soldiers for the Atomic Bomb

Jewel · 04-17-2002, 12:46 PM

What a piece of work this woman is.

Of course when she doesn't get elected she will blame the 'party lovers'. It certainly could not have anything to do with her being a freak!

Scary scary scary....

04-16-2002, 04:16 PM	#1
edoggsmooth Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Staten Island, NY Posts: 82	Letter to and from June Griffin The following is an email that I sent to US Senate hopeful, from Tennessee, June Griffin. She is an advocate of displaying the Ten Commnadments in public buildings, among other religious subjects. (More can be read about her at <a href="http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentID=16065" target="_blank">www.freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentID=16065</a>) Following the email is her response. >Dear Mrs. Griffin, > >In reading about your bid for the US Senate on the >Internet ( <a href="http://www.friendsofliberty.com/campaign/032802.htm" target="_blank">http://www.friendsofliberty.com/campaign/032802.htm</a> ), >you have proven to me just how ignorant you are. > >You say that you will stand by the US Constitution, >when it is obvious that you haven't even read >Amendment Number 1: "Congress shall make no law >respecting an establishment of religion, or >prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging >the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right >of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition >the Government for a redress of grievances." The >separation of church and state allows all Americans >(not just the majority of people that you hope to >represent) the freedom to practice ANY religion that >they choose, or no religion at all, without government influence. >Displaying the 10 Commandments in public buildings and participating in >a "Back to God" movement would rival such religious states as the >Islamic State of Iran. Would your movement get the >same reaction if you had proposed posting parts of the >Koran in public places and participating in a "Back to >Allah" movement? > >You also state that you would "work to close the >borders of the United States by all lawful means and >rectify the hideous invasion by those who do not love >God and the United States." This country was founded >by immigrants whose main focus wasn't God, it was >making a better life for themselves and their >families. I'm sure that your family has a similar >story, as I doubt they are all Native Americans. "The >hideous invasion of those who do not love God" has >been going on since the Pilgrims arrived. Were it not >for religious persecution in their home country, many >great Americans would have never arrived. Someone's >religious affliction should not have any bearing on >their freedom to enter the greatest country in the >world. > >Finally, you say, in the words of Evangelist Billy >Sunday, that "traitors should be dispatched by the >firing squad." Fundamentally, this is a clear >violation of "Thou shalt not kill." But as far as that commandment >goes, we see that many times "laws from God" have been legitimized to >do whatever humans want to. Also, as far as traitors go, Scripture >says that Peter denied Jesus not once, not twice but three times >when he was being crucified. Instead of meeting a >firing squad, Peter was awarded with becoming the Pope >after Jesus' death. Hypocrisy ? Clearly. > >I hope the citizens of Tennessee have more sense than >to vote for a ignorant, hateful person like yourself. > >Sincerely, >Ed Miller Thank you for your loving note. Meanwhile, I am going to conquer the hateful and mean income tax cruelty which has destroyed untold millions of people and businesses. I can argue my points, having spent a lot of time considering them in light of our heritage but at this moment I have to get back to work. Thanks for writing. I have found that the MAJORITY of Tennessee agrees with me, however, I am not the kind of person to whom folks will GIVE money, therefore I will probably be rejected by the party-lovers. June Griffin Edited by Toto to fix links [ April 16, 2002: Message edited by: Toto ]</p>

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04-16-2002, 05:13 PM	#3
Viti Contributor Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Down South Posts: 12,879	Uh Oh...where in Tennessee is she from?....If she is from Sparta, I'll bet anything she's some sort of distant cousin!

04-16-2002, 05:15 PM	#4
RufusAtticus Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NCSU Posts: 5,853	Ahh, she has already mastered the politician's art of avoiding the question. What a maroon!

04-17-2002, 06:35 AM	#7
beachbum Beloved Deceased Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cocoa Beach, FL Posts: 864	This is one scarey lady Tennessee Patriot Recipient of Merit Award, Militia of Georgia Political Firebrand, urging all leadership to uphold American standards Captain, Cold Water Army Member, Citizen-Soldiers for the Atomic Bomb Author of the Ten Commandments Resolution adopted by Tennessee Counties Representative of God and Country at the United Nations Millenium Religious Summit Ordained minister and pastor,THE AMERICAN BIBLE PROTESTANT CHURCH. Volunteer to Tennessee County Commissions, now garnering Tennessee Counties for the Ten Commandments Resolution - 82 to date Not only is she a Captain in the Cold Water Army but also a member of Citizen Soldier for the Atomic Bomb. If I lived in Tennessee I would have my house on the market by the end of business, yesterday and be moving.

04-17-2002, 12:46 PM	#10
Jewel Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Northern Virginia, USA Posts: 1,112	What a piece of work this woman is. Of course when she doesn't get elected she will blame the 'party lovers'. It certainly could not have anything to do with her being a freak! Scary scary scary....

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