GPLindsey

Two questions I can't find answers to from creationists:

1) They argue that the Universe demonstrates evidence of design because it has order (i.e., complex life forms and a host of other things), whereas the law of entropy that holds sway in the Universe dictates that disorder should be the end result of things [this is a misreading of the law I know, but I have heard them make this case]. However, if they believe that God wrote all the laws of nature, then he also wrote the law of entropy. It sounds to me that their argument is basically that God performed a miracle in order to overcome another miracle. Most of the Universe is in fact very hostile to Life, being either too cold, too radioactive, or too empty. If God intended to create Life and other complex structures, why did he write natural laws that are hostile to this first?

2) IMO, no one arguing for Intelligent Design ever bothers with linking it to the idea of purpose, other than for mankind and life on earth. If the Universe shows evidence of design, then the designer must have had a purpose in mind. If mankind was his sole purpose, then isn't much of the rest of universe unnecessary? What is the purpose for the Andromeda Galaxy, for quazars, for all the Dark Matter and Dark Energy that make up 95% of the Universe? Why did God bother?

pz

He was bein' ineffable.In-effing-effable, again.

Showing that the logic of creation is incomprehensible is not going to make any kind of dent in the creationist worldview because 1) logic doesn't work against them, and 2) that state of dull, dumb, gawping incomprehension is what they consider a religious experience.

KC

Why should order necessarily mean low entropy? A mixture of oil and water will separate spontaneously into a more ordered state, yet that more ordered state has higher entropy than the disordered one.

KC

DMB

I disagree that god's goal was "mankind". Surely it was white, American, male fundies.

Quetzal

Heh. If true, that just goes to show that gawd has an incredibly lame sense of humor OR is in reality Satan in role reversal mode. (Wouldn't the fundies just freak out if they get to "heaven" and find out they've been tricked all these millenia? )