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doodad · 12-01-2002, 05:23 AM

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There's also a verse saying how it is unforgivable to badmouth the Holy Spirit, but it is forgivable to badmouth Jesus. But since the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are supposed to be part of the same being, how does this make sense?

It makes sense to those who believe that Jesus is not God. It's a matter of how one views the trinity relationship.

Shadownought · 12-02-2002, 02:55 PM

I've wondered about this before. Thanks in part to Jack Chick's despicable (but funny) Bible tracts, in particular The Gunslinger.

I find it disturbing and vile that everything hinges SOLELY on being "saved" and worshipping God. If you do, then no matter what depraved immoral things you have done or do in the future, you go to heaven. If you don't, well, all your charity works and community service go for naught.

In other words... "WORSHIP ME OR SUFFER FOR ETERNITY!"

The fact that modern people freely worship this THING and call it "love" is something I cannot understand.

Radcliffe Emerson · 12-04-2002, 08:02 AM

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I find it disturbing and vile that everything hinges SOLELY on being "saved" and worshipping God.
In other words... "WORSHIP ME OR SUFFER FOR ETERNITY!"

The fact that modern people freely worship this THING and call it "love" is something I cannot understand.[/QB]

That's exactly what I say when the "God gave us free will" crap starts up.
Yeah, free will with eternal damnation if you don't do what God says!
Pure bull.

winstonjen · 12-05-2002, 02:01 PM

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Originally posted by Radcliffe Emerson:

That's exactly what I say when the "God gave us free will" crap starts up.
Yeah, free will with eternal damnation if you don't do what God says!
Pure bull.

Yeah. Freedom has to be less conditional than afterlife blackmail.

Amie · 12-05-2002, 02:11 PM

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Originally posted by winstonjen:
I'm sure we're all aware of paedophiles in the Catholic church that justify their celibacy oath with things like "We's only prohibited from having vaginal sex."

hmmm I am not familiar with them trying to justify it for that particular reason.

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Or the even more popular "Jesus forgives me, I won't do it again."

yes that is unfortunate.

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And they go and do it AGAIN!

they are very sick men

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How many second chances do they get? According to the Gospels, infinite chances! It seems that they break their own rules even more AFTER they become a Christian! LOL!

It is incredibly unfortunate these events took place. Their is no justification in them. It is sickening what happened to some children. Some people try to justify their actions as a way of dealing with guilt.

winstonjen · 12-05-2002, 02:13 PM

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It is incredibly unfortunate these events took place. Their is no justification in them. It is sickening what happened to some children. Some people try to justify their actions as a way of dealing with guilt.

I agree. And if they really had any rational sense of guilt at all, they wouldn't do it again. Not unless they wanted to feel guilty again.

Infinity Lover · 12-05-2002, 02:18 PM

I'm sorry the Vatican doesn't seriously reconsider it's policy for celibacy. I think that plays a major factor.

Amie · 12-05-2002, 02:24 PM

Hi Infinity

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Originally posted by Infinity Lover:
I'm sorry the Vatican doesn't seriously reconsider it's policy for celibacy. I think that plays a major factor.

yes sometimes deprivation of something may lead to obsession...

I personally feel that one can still maintain their faith and position within the catholic church all the while being involved in a loving relationship as well. I don't think having a loving, sexual relationship has to take away from the priests love for God in any way. I'd like to see priests be able to be married. Maybe someday...

Infinity Lover · 12-05-2002, 02:27 PM

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Originally posted by Amie:
Hi Infinity

yes sometimes deprivation of something may lead to obsession...

I personally feel that one can still maintain their faith and position within the catholic church all the while being involved in a loving relationship as well. I don't think having a loving, sexual relationship has to take away from the priests love for God in any way. I'd like to see priests be able to be married. Maybe someday...

Yea Amie for Pope! <img src="graemlins/notworthy.gif" border="0" alt="[Not Worthy]" />

Can we have some white smoke from the chimney please?

Amie · 12-05-2002, 08:40 PM

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I agree. And if they really had any rational sense of guilt at all, they wouldn't do it again. Not unless they wanted to feel guilty again.

I agree however I certainly don't think they use Jesus as some sort of excuse to sin. I don't think they do these things with the premise that they will be forgiven. I think they are very sick men who aren't thinking at all. winstonjen what do you feel their punishment should be for their actions?

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12-02-2002, 02:55 PM	#12
Shadownought Regular Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: United States Posts: 209	I've wondered about this before. Thanks in part to Jack Chick's despicable (but funny) Bible tracts, in particular The Gunslinger. I find it disturbing and vile that everything hinges SOLELY on being "saved" and worshipping God. If you do, then no matter what depraved immoral things you have done or do in the future, you go to heaven. If you don't, well, all your charity works and community service go for naught. In other words... "WORSHIP ME OR SUFFER FOR ETERNITY!" The fact that modern people freely worship this THING and call it "love" is something I cannot understand.

12-05-2002, 02:18 PM	#17
Infinity Lover Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,047	I'm sorry the Vatican doesn't seriously reconsider it's policy for celibacy. I think that plays a major factor.

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