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Zentraedi · 10-31-2002, 10:05 AM

Atheistic dependence

He/she who claims to be an atheist can not claim to be raised in a society full of atheist. Can beliefs in atheism hold its own? Can a man war-torn, on the brink of death, reaching his hand out toward help for days-on-end come up with a theory of godlessness that will settle his fears? Is Atheism productive?

My belief is that no man/woman can function without some sort reassurance from a foreign intelligence, be it imaginary or not. What does an atheist do when the reassurance is not present in a physical manner?

How would the rules of society work, based on an atheist point of view? Do you like the way your society works at the moment? Would you want change in the manner of your beliefs? Another words do you practice what you preach?

Religion digs deep into your logic. How would your morals work in a non-religious society? You�d probably base them off the ones you already know of. (Formally religious-based ones) What if you did not have a �control� morality to start with in your experiment? A village may be able to run on an atheistic type society, but how about a city or a country? I ask this because the complexity of human interaction comes to the point to where an accepted code of values must exist between strangers. How would a society on such a scale maintain order? Could a society as complex as ours have even formed without a universal religion? To have your entire society turned upside down may not be for your own good. Again, is atheism productive? Have you ever told a white lie to your husbands/wives? Sometimes the truth is not for the good. Something that is not for your benefit or anyone else�s can not be productive.

K · 10-31-2002, 10:13 AM

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A village may be able to run on an atheistic type society, but how about a city or a country? I ask this because the complexity of human interaction comes to the point to where an accepted code of values must exist between strangers.

A system of rules that seeks to balance the rights of the individual with the rights of the majority should handle this. No god needed.

Autonemesis · 10-31-2002, 10:20 AM

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Originally posted by Zentraedi:
How would the rules of society work, based on an atheist point of view?

It would work something like <a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.overview.html" target="_blank">this</a>.

Philosoft · 10-31-2002, 10:21 AM

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My belief is that no man/woman can function without some sort reassurance from a foreign intelligence, be it imaginary or not.

What is an imaginary foreign intelligence? How is it distinct from our own intelligence?

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What does an atheist do when the reassurance is not present in a physical manner?

Reasurrance for what?

Viti · 10-31-2002, 10:23 AM

He/she who claims to be an atheist can not claim to be raised in a society full of atheist. Sure they can. I know several people raised in Russia under the Soviets. Religion was not allowed, and after the USSR fell they were told "Oh BTW our family is Jewish"...it didn't take and they are still atheists.

Can beliefs in atheism hold its own?
We don't believe in atheism, we disbelieve in deities

Can a man war-torn, on the brink of death, reaching his hand out toward help for days-on-end come up with a theory of godlessness that will settle his fears? How would a theory of god do any better in settling fears?

Is Atheism productive? Productive in what way?

My belief is that no man/woman can function without some sort reassurance from a foreign intelligence, be it imaginary or not. Well good for you...too bad you are wrong since many of us function just fine without mythical reassurances (whatever that means)

What does an atheist do when the reassurance is not present in a physical manner?For some odd reason we rely on ourselves

How would the rules of society work, based on an atheist point of view? Do you like the way your society works at the moment? Would you want change in the manner of your beliefs? Another words do you practice what you preach? What rules? Each society sets its own rules. Each person decides their own morals.

I am not going to bother with the rest

Jayhawker Soule · 10-31-2002, 10:24 AM

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Originally posted by Zentraedi:
<strong>My belief is that no man/woman can function without some sort reassurance from a foreign intelligence, be it imaginary or not.</strong>

Like Joseph sings in the musical: "any dream will do." How sad.

joedad · 10-31-2002, 10:29 AM

The title of this thread ought to be either Atheistic Independence or Theistic Dependence.

Either will do to make the point.

joe

Mageth · 10-31-2002, 10:31 AM

Wow, that's deep.

My belief is that no man/woman can function without some sort reassurance from a foreign intelligence, be it imaginary or not.

Sherlock Holmes is my comfort and my strength.

xeren · 10-31-2002, 10:48 AM

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Originally posted by Zentraedi:
<strong>Atheistic dependence

Can a man war-torn, on the brink of death, reaching his hand out toward help for days-on-end come up with a theory of godlessness that will settle his fears? </strong>

It seems that you are implying that the correct theory is one that settles someone's fears.

Why is a person who believes in something that settles her fears(for example christianity, with promise of eternal bliss in heaven) any more correct for that reason than someone who's beliefs offer them little or no condolences?

I would offer that maybe people believe in eternal bliss in heaven because it settles their fears. Have you thought of that?

This is probably just a troll, and so i am just wasting my time, but maybe someone could answer this for me?

Why do christians condsider rape bad? Because God says so? Why does God think it is bad? Because it violates the rights of the victim? Why can't atheists disprove of it for the same reason?

-xeren

sandlewood · 10-31-2002, 10:54 AM

If your goal is to learn and understand the truth about reality, then how is religion productive?

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Originally posted by Zentraedi:My belief is that no man/woman can function without some sort reassurance from a foreign intelligence, be it imaginary or not.

That�s your belief but not mine. How does it help you if you know the foreign intelligence is imaginary?

10-31-2002, 10:05 AM	#1
Zentraedi Regular Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Anytown, USA Posts: 103	Atheist dependence Atheistic dependence He/she who claims to be an atheist can not claim to be raised in a society full of atheist. Can beliefs in atheism hold its own? Can a man war-torn, on the brink of death, reaching his hand out toward help for days-on-end come up with a theory of godlessness that will settle his fears? Is Atheism productive? My belief is that no man/woman can function without some sort reassurance from a foreign intelligence, be it imaginary or not. What does an atheist do when the reassurance is not present in a physical manner? How would the rules of society work, based on an atheist point of view? Do you like the way your society works at the moment? Would you want change in the manner of your beliefs? Another words do you practice what you preach? Religion digs deep into your logic. How would your morals work in a non-religious society? You�d probably base them off the ones you already know of. (Formally religious-based ones) What if you did not have a �control� morality to start with in your experiment? A village may be able to run on an atheistic type society, but how about a city or a country? I ask this because the complexity of human interaction comes to the point to where an accepted code of values must exist between strangers. How would a society on such a scale maintain order? Could a society as complex as ours have even formed without a universal religion? To have your entire society turned upside down may not be for your own good. Again, is atheism productive? Have you ever told a white lie to your husbands/wives? Sometimes the truth is not for the good. Something that is not for your benefit or anyone else�s can not be productive.

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10-31-2002, 10:23 AM	#5
Viti Contributor Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Down South Posts: 12,879	He/she who claims to be an atheist can not claim to be raised in a society full of atheist. Sure they can. I know several people raised in Russia under the Soviets. Religion was not allowed, and after the USSR fell they were told "Oh BTW our family is Jewish"...it didn't take and they are still atheists. Can beliefs in atheism hold its own? We don't believe in atheism, we disbelieve in deities Can a man war-torn, on the brink of death, reaching his hand out toward help for days-on-end come up with a theory of godlessness that will settle his fears? How would a theory of god do any better in settling fears? Is Atheism productive? Productive in what way? My belief is that no man/woman can function without some sort reassurance from a foreign intelligence, be it imaginary or not. Well good for you...too bad you are wrong since many of us function just fine without mythical reassurances (whatever that means) What does an atheist do when the reassurance is not present in a physical manner?For some odd reason we rely on ourselves How would the rules of society work, based on an atheist point of view? Do you like the way your society works at the moment? Would you want change in the manner of your beliefs? Another words do you practice what you preach? What rules? Each society sets its own rules. Each person decides their own morals. I am not going to bother with the rest

10-31-2002, 10:29 AM	#7
joedad Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: PA USA Posts: 5,039	The title of this thread ought to be either Atheistic Independence or Theistic Dependence. Either will do to make the point. joe

10-31-2002, 10:31 AM	#8
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	Wow, that's deep. My belief is that no man/woman can function without some sort reassurance from a foreign intelligence, be it imaginary or not. Sherlock Holmes is my comfort and my strength.

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