7thangel

Baloo has posted a challenge for theists to prove existence of our God. Unfortunately, due to misunderstanding about the godhead, such kind of challenge is not met to be responded. In the first place, it is God who should met the challenge for we do not promote our own glory. And making challenges which is against the principles of our beliefs will surely not work either.

I just want to clarify that God wants us to be convinced intellectually and emotionally. Not physically, because we preach an invisible God. Even if the dead be raised, if we do not have understanding of His godhead, we will surely have no peace within ourselves, emotionally and intellectually.

We can sense His existence intellectually, by understanding the power that he exerted, and exerting, on the prophesies fulfilled, and being fulfilled. And of the understanding that we get from them, coupled by the words of the prophets and teachers that reveals their meanings. Unfortunately, we surely cannot have all knowledge of all these things, but I believe there can be enough knowledge for us to be convinced. This "enough" knowledge we have of God is what we call faith. If anyone does not agree with one's faith, it is futile for you to make any challenge, because, as I have said, you will surely not have peace anyway. And challenging anyone without the idea of submitting yourself to whom you challenge is more ridiculous; for you will just add more chaos to the church of God, showing distrust, disrespect, and disobedience to God's appointed leaders.

I hope you will make the challenge the right way.

Celsus

Ok, how about you post the most convincing argument and evidence for the resurrection. It must be substantial and well-documented (multiple-source corroboration, and by that, I do not mean the 4 gospels, but extra-Biblical sources), it must rule out all plausible natural explanations, and it must be internally consistent with your chosen Scripture.

Failing that, how about the promise in Malachi 3:10 in which God specifically asks us to test him?

Cheers,
Joel

Brother Fred

.....I just want to clarify that the IPU wants us to be convinced intellectually and emotionally. Not physically, because we preach an invisible IPU. Even if the dead be raised, if we do not have understanding of His IPUhead, we will surely have no peace within ourselves, emotionally and intellectually.

We can sense His existence intellectually, by understanding the power that he exerted, and exerting, on the prophesies fulfilled, and being fulfilled. And of the understanding that we get from them, coupled by the words of the prophets and teachers that reveals their meanings. Unfortunately, we surely cannot have all knowledge of all these things, but I believe there can be enough knowledge for us to be convinced. This "enough" knowledge we have of IPU is what we call faith. If anyone does not agree with one's faith, it is futile for you to make any challenge, because, as I have said, you will surely not have peace anyway. And challenging anyone without the idea of submitting yourself to whom you challenge is more ridiculous; for you will just add more chaos to the church of IPU, showing distrust, disrespect, and disobedience to IPU's appointed leaders.

I hope you will make the challenge the right way.

7thangel

Maybe God is not an IPU. So do not challenge who believe in IPU's.

7thangel

As I have said, do not challenge those whom you do not believe their faith.

Celsus

7thangel,

What exactly do you mean? What is a "right way" of making a challenge then? I have to believe before I challenge? You want to preach to a choir? Why is my challenge "against the principles of [your] beliefs"? Please explain.

Joel

Evil Milkman

Then you're not convincing anyone here to debate.

K

7thangel:

Why in the world would you post to an atheist site if you don't want challenges to your faith?

Also, do you believe that it is ok for missionaries to challenge the faiths of non-Christian people?

openeyes

I really wish I could figure out what you're trying to say. Your logic seems to go in circles.

Can't you just be comfortable with us non-believers or is that threatening to you because of our reasons for non-belief?

7thangel

My apology, I was not clear enough. I am speaking of the like challenges that Baloo had in his post. But of the doctrines of each theists have, I guess you are more than welcome to challenge them.

My apologies folks.