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Old 03-03-2003, 12:54 PM   #221
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Surprise surprise. The Rad police all showed up at once to claim once again Rad never answers anything, he's a terrible witness, claim their own holiness, declare Rad is a waste of time, and say they will never bother with him again.
Yes, Rad has been a bad boy, a very naughty boy; Rad is a terrible, unholy boy. The police should put the handcuffs on Rad.

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...there are two or three "intelligent" atheists who can get my attention, and to whom I respond in all seriousness.
...I go to their website, and they say I'm a real man, and they listen to me, and they like me, and that they wish that they could touch me.

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And it's certainly not "different" people who show up at the end of the thread.
I know because they show me pictures.

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It's the same old grudgemeisters, of whom you are chief, who declare over and over I'm not responding to the questions and I never posted "anything" substantiative.
Daddy and grandpa think I'm wasting my money on the internet, too.

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Sorry, it's not about "hoping I get it"
In fact, I can "get it" whenever I want; I just lock my bedroom door when I know mommy's busy making supper.

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I think even the choir knows that.
Sometimes, the choir-leader, after church practice, when we're alone...well, sometimes he reads to me and then punishes me.

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I think Hitler has me beat, hands down. He was a Christian by the definition of all but a couple skeptics here. Or are you guys now retracting that assertion?
I think about Hitler a lot; that's why I just brought up his name. I think about how he beats me.

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I do have several motives for being here, which I have listed before.
My psychologist has the list, in case anyone is interested.

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I also said one of my weakesses is being unable to ignore opportunities to satirize the position of some skeptics.
But what I didn't tell you about is my weakness for diapers.

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But I do care enough to change my tune, should Sabine Grant ever lead one of you to the Lord.
I fantasize about Sabine almost as much as I fantasize about Hitler.

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I never once said they "run away" from me. I do assume my carefully and sincerely presented scenarios went unanswered by some because they raise the important issues here and go to motive.
That, and the laws against beastiality are certainly what keep most people from responding to my scenarios with me.
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Old 03-03-2003, 01:05 PM   #222
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...I go to their website, and they say I'm a real man, and they listen to me, and they like me, and that they wish that they could touch me.

rofl.
Is Jesus the only one that takes Radorth seriously?
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Old 03-03-2003, 05:10 PM   #223
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Surprise surprise. The Rad police all showed up at once to claim once again Rad never answers anything, he's a terrible witness, claim their own holiness, declare Rad is a waste of time, and say they will never bother with him again. (The new members anyway)
Boohoo.

(Not that I agree with Fenton... I think that calling a christian a bad witness is way out of line.)

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I never once said they "run away" from me.
My mistake, apologies for that. (It turns out I was thinking about a thread where you said you would stop responding if other people started falling off. My selective memory conveniently forgot the conditional.)

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I do assume my carefully and sincerely presented scenarios went unanswered by some because they raise the important issues here and go to motive.
Yet, when Bumble Bee Tuna did answer them, in a way consistent with how most people here think, and pointed out that out of the three scenarios only the first one applies to the real world, you just shrugged it off. But, now I'm just repeating what BBT told you already.

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You wouldn't know one if you saw it. Your question was more rhetoric than a question. I also gave the conditions under which I would worship a Hindu God and there is no such Hindu God.
So what's your problem with atheists who give conditions for worshipping a Christian God, and point out that there is no such thing as far as the bible is concerned? You call this "whining and moaning", when in fact you'd be the first person to "whine and moan" exactly the same way (by rebelling against the Hindu pantheon) if you found out there was no Jesus to impute rightenousness on you or whatever.
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Old 03-03-2003, 07:03 PM   #224
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Pretty much except nobody is claiming any type of "holiness".
Heh. They do it eveytime they impugn me, my motives, and misrepresent what I said, or what I did or did not do. But maybe the Rad police are just trying to drag me down to their level. So then I take it you don't think you're a better person than I am. That's an encouraging sign if so.

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Is Hitler here? Have I personally ever seen Hitler witness? Does Hitler come here to II? NO to all the above.
You're avoiding the issue, which is whether you agree with other skeptics that he was a Christian.

Re: Grudgemeister in training, who claims he's not going to bother anymore but talks about me in other threads instead. B, if you truly want to agree not mention each other again and ignore each other, I'm ready to start.

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You don't actually want to argue, you want to draw insults from people and have a big flamewar.
Yeah, "Rad made us do it." Funny how I responded whenever somebody made a serious point, isn't it?

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Substantive responses are ignored, but you'll respond to any insult until the thread is beaten to a pulp. I asked if I had answered well enough because you had ignored my response so I assumed it's because the response did not cover what you wanted. No, it turns out you thought it was a good response but you just ignore those sorts of things.
What did you want, a big pat on the back? I am completely mystified as to why I should respond to a post I find no great fault with. You wanna play with the big kids, but not act like one.

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Whatever, if that's what makes you happy fine. I just prefer to actually debate. If you ever want to debate again, just let me know when you've grown up and I'll be glad to.
"Rad makes us say these things."

Re: Dr Rick,

Speaking to the choir apparently, Grudgemeister #3 wins "Most Off-topic, Evasive and Non-responsive Post" of the month, and it's only the 3rd.

I'm downgrading Daggah to #4 for raising an intelligent thread-related question, failing to bring up ancient history, and not mentioning evolution.



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Old 03-03-2003, 07:11 PM   #225
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...I go to their website, and they say I'm a real man, and they listen to me, and they like me, and that they wish that they could touch me.

rofl.
Is Jesus the only one that takes Radorth seriously?
Well, we can only speculate, but if I were Jesus, I'd use my magical miracle power to smite Radorth, or at least break his fingers, so he couldn't keep driving all those atheists even further away from me with his pathetic apologetics.

I don't think even Jesus would take Radorth seriously, if he were around. Jesus would probably be too stricken with disgust at Radorth's dishonesty.
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Old 03-03-2003, 07:36 PM   #226
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My mistake, apologies for that. (It turns out I was thinking about a thread where you said you would stop responding if other people started falling off. My selective memory conveniently forgot the conditional.)
Apology accepted. Thank you.

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Yet, when Bumble Bee Tuna did answer them, in a way consistent with how most people here think, and pointed out that out of the three scenarios only the first one applies to the real world, you just shrugged it off.
Huh? How can somethiing presented as hypothetical apply to the real world? He was more likely avoiding a response to scenarios which were clearly designed to get people to say just where they would draw the line. It also appears that some who whined the loudest about me not answering their questions, refused to answer at all. I wonder why that is.

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So what's your problem with atheists who give conditions for worshipping a Christian God, and point out that there is no such thing as far as the bible is concerned? You call this "whining and moaning",
I'm not clear on what your question is. You'd have to show me where I said they were whining when they were actually expressing a sincere and coherent condition. It's fine to set such conditions. That's exactly what I did before I became a Christian. But they seldom spell out the conditions very well so that one can argue point by point. My scenarios were in fact meant to get at exactly what those conditions would be, but most people stopped short of saying.

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when in fact you'd be the first person to "whine and moan" exactly the same way (by rebelling against the Hindu pantheon) if you found out there was no Jesus to impute rightenousness on you or whatever
My friend, I assure you that if God did not impute righteousness in order to reconcile the contrary demands of justice and love, I would be no theist.

So ah, Fenton. I have a question. How am I a poorer witness, and a much poorer Christian than Jesus and the apostles? How do I compare to Paul in integrity, being in touch with reality, human kindness, etc?

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Old 03-03-2003, 07:43 PM   #227
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I don't think even Jesus would take Radorth seriously, if he were around. Jesus would probably be too stricken with disgust at Radorth's dishonesty.
This is just another one of your gratuitous slanders Daggah, with no examples. You never give any. I challenge you to list three points I was dishonest about in the last month and let me answer.

You have to prove slander is true, but you haven't the integrity or the memory to do anything but make these kind of sweeping statements. Which of course makes you dishonest and a local gossip.

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Old 03-03-2003, 07:52 PM   #228
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Huh? How can somethiing presented as hypothetical apply to the real world? He was more likely avoiding a response to scenarios which were clearly designed to get people to say just where they would draw the line. It also appears that some who whined the loudest about me not answering their questions, refused to answer at all. I wonder why that is.
Because hypothetical scenarios are possibilities that could happen.

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My friend, I assure you that if God did not impute righteousness in order to reconcile the contrary demands of justice and love, I would be no theist.
How do you know it was god that imputed 'righteousness' on you? How can you prove it wasn't something else, like the weed you probably were on at the time?
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Old 03-03-2003, 07:58 PM   #229
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Re #1 Grudgemeister
Heh. They do it eveytime they impugn me, my motives, and misrepresent what I said, or what I did or did not do. But maybe the Rad police are just trying to drag me down to their level. So then I take it you don't think you're a better person than I am. That's an encouraging sign if so.
No. People do not think they are holy for pointing out another persons wrong doings. Maybe thats how things work in your imaginary Christian world,but *I* certainly don`t feel "holy" or like a better person for pointing out your antics.

And how could anyone possibly drag you down any lower?


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You're avoiding the issue, which is whether you agree with other skeptics that he was a Christian.
What question? Who here asked a question about Hitler?
I told you you`re the worst witness for Jesus I`ve ever seen. You came back and tried to pass the buck on Hitler by saying Hitler was a worse witness than you. (you must think pretty poorly of yourself if you can`t find anyone other than Hitler,but thats for another day)
I then told you that I`ve never seen Hitler witness and that Hitler isn`t here on II or anywhere else arguing for Jesus.
So the honor of "worst witness for Jesus that *I`ve* ever seen" still belongs to you.

Now suddenly out of nowhere I`m avoiding an unasked question about if Hitler was a Christian? I never said a damn thing about Hitler until you just brought him up,but lets see if your attempt to drag this off on a tangent works to your advantage....
A.) If Hitler WAS a Christian he wouldn`t be the worst witness for Jesus I`ve ever seen because I`ve never seen him witness. He`s not here racking up posts on this or any other message board.

B.) If Hitler WAS NOT a Christian he wouldn`t be a witness at all so he couldn`t possibly be the worst at it.

What was that you were saying?
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And how could anyone possibly drag you down any lower?
"Nothing is beyond the LORD (argument ad Capslock )! He uses unbelievers to complete his 'grand plan'! :boohoo:
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