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DieToDeath · 06-04-2002, 01:37 PM

If God created the Earth... then who created God?

lpetrich · 06-04-2002, 01:43 PM

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If God created the Earth... then who created God?

Good question, and an especially relevant one to those who claim that everything must have a cause.

hezekiah jones · 06-04-2002, 01:49 PM

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Originally posted by DieToDeath:
If God created the Earth... then who created God?

If you want to be a hip creationist, you don't say "God" anymore. You say "the designer."

WalrusGumBoot · 06-04-2002, 09:59 PM

A simple question, but I don't think anybody on this earth has not thought of that question. I've always had the problem with the concept of a god having no beginning or end. I think it has to do with my finite mind trying to comprehend the infinite, and failing miserably. Pondering this always sends me into never-never land where I probably look like I'm seriously stoned on something. I recover from this empty-head syndrome by popping a top of my favorite bubbly and watching mindless TV. Some things are best left alone.

However, why couldn't God EVOLVE? We as humans have evolved intellengence and can do incredible things in science - all from the dust of the earth. Why can't a spiritual being evolve? Why do we have to box ourselves in this mindset where we have to touch, see, taste, hear, etc. to believe in something?

Oolon Colluphid · 06-05-2002, 12:28 AM

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However, why couldn't God EVOLVE? We as humans have evolved intellengence and can do incredible things in science - all from the dust of the earth. Why can't a spiritual being evolve? Why do we have to box ourselves in this mindset where we have to touch, see, taste, hear, etc. to believe in something?

Because in biological evolution, it is lineages, populations, which evolve.
NOT individuals.

Unless there is a competition for resources, with some gods being better suited to their cosmic niches, so that those survive and leave more descendants than the others, what you�ve got there is a Pokemon deity.

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Why do we have to box ourselves in this mindset where we have to touch, see, taste, hear, etc. to believe in something?

If you know of a more reliable guide to reality, please present it.

TTFN, Oolon

randman · 06-05-2002, 04:34 AM

The reason the question seems difficult is that it presuppossed time has always existed, and that nothing can exist without time.

Time is a creation of God. Time is essentially a measurement of change. God lives within time, but He also lives without, or beyond it, and He never changes.

Kosh · 06-05-2002, 04:48 AM

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Originally posted by randman:
The reason the question seems difficult is that it presuppossed time has always existed, and that nothing can exist without time.

Time is a creation of God. Time is essentially a measurement of change. God lives within time, but He also lives without, or beyond it, and He never changes.

Which does nothing to negate the fact that
he would need to be created.

LiveFreeOrDie · 06-05-2002, 04:51 AM

Time is a creation of the Invisible Pink Unicorn. Time is essentially a measurement of change. The IPU lives within time, but She also lives without, or beyond it, and She never changes.

Oolon Colluphid · 06-05-2002, 05:06 AM

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The reason the question seems difficult is that it presuppossed time has always existed, and that nothing can exist without time.

Time is irrelevant to the question of where the hypothesised god came from.

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Time is a creation of God.

Go learn some basic cosmology.

TTFN, Oolon

RufusAtticus · 06-05-2002, 10:05 AM

God is a creation of Man. God is essentially an explaination from ignorance. Man lives with God, but he also lives without, or beyond Him, and Man leaves behind childhood explainations.

But this of course has nothing to do with E/C.

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06-04-2002, 09:59 PM	#4
WalrusGumBoot Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hempstead, Texas Posts: 20	A simple question, but I don't think anybody on this earth has not thought of that question. I've always had the problem with the concept of a god having no beginning or end. I think it has to do with my finite mind trying to comprehend the infinite, and failing miserably. Pondering this always sends me into never-never land where I probably look like I'm seriously stoned on something. I recover from this empty-head syndrome by popping a top of my favorite bubbly and watching mindless TV. Some things are best left alone. However, why couldn't God EVOLVE? We as humans have evolved intellengence and can do incredible things in science - all from the dust of the earth. Why can't a spiritual being evolve? Why do we have to box ourselves in this mindset where we have to touch, see, taste, hear, etc. to believe in something?

06-05-2002, 04:34 AM	#6
randman Regular Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 333	The reason the question seems difficult is that it presuppossed time has always existed, and that nothing can exist without time. Time is a creation of God. Time is essentially a measurement of change. God lives within time, but He also lives without, or beyond it, and He never changes.

06-05-2002, 04:51 AM	#8
LiveFreeOrDie Junior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Milwaukee, WI, USA Posts: 77	Time is a creation of the Invisible Pink Unicorn. Time is essentially a measurement of change. The IPU lives within time, but She also lives without, or beyond it, and She never changes.

06-05-2002, 10:05 AM	#10
RufusAtticus Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NCSU Posts: 5,853	God is a creation of Man. God is essentially an explaination from ignorance. Man lives with God, but he also lives without, or beyond Him, and Man leaves behind childhood explainations. But this of course has nothing to do with E/C.

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