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Old 01-30-2003, 06:14 PM   #1
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I found this via a link on another thread.

It asks Christians to reconcile these two statements. I don't know if I had a long day at work or not, but I'm failing to miss what dilemma the author is asking Christians to address and make sense of. The post read as such:

Please reconcile these two statements: "Without evil, there can be no good", "God is all-good."

Please reconcile these two statements: "With God, nothing is impossible", "You can't be saved unless you accept Jesus as your savior."
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Please reconcile these two statements: "Without evil, there can be no good", "God is all-good."

The (questionable) dilemma is this: If the former statement is an absolute, then an "all-good" state-of-affairs is contradictory, as no SOA can obtain without evil. However, as God is allegedly a being, not an SOA, it seems that an all-good being can be part of an SOA that also includes evil.
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Please reconcile these two statements: "With God, nothing is impossible", "You can't be saved unless you accept Jesus as your savior."
This appears to be mere semantic trickery. If "being saved" is a "thing," then it is in fact impossible, per the latter statement, to be saved without "accept[ing] Jesus as your savior." Thus, there is a thing, "being saved without accepting Jesus as your savior," that is impossible. Of course, the less excricuatingly pedantic among us would say, "being saved is possible, if one accepts Jesus as his savior."
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The (questionable) dilemma is this: If the former statement is an absolute, then an "all-good" state-of-affairs is contradictory, as no SOA can obtain without evil. However, as God is allegedly a being, not an SOA, it seems that an all-good being can be part of an SOA that also includes evil.

This appears to be mere semantic trickery. If "being saved" is a "thing," then it is in fact impossible, per the latter statement, to be saved without "accept[ing] Jesus as your savior." Thus, there is a thing, "being saved without accepting Jesus as your savior," that is impossible. Of course, the less excricuatingly pedantic among us would say, "being saved is possible, if one accepts Jesus as his savior." [/B]
I apologize but what is an SOA?
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Hi Soul Invictus
how about you go add these to the thread as well

finding some continuity between these passages:

1Peter 2:17; Genesis 42:18, Exodus 18:21, Psalms 66:16, Revelations 14:7, Eclesiastes 8:12 "Fear God"

1Roman 8:28, 1John 5:2 "love God"

1John 4:18 "There is no fear in love"

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Please reconcile these two statements: "Without evil, there can be no good", "God is all-good."

Please reconcile these two statements: "With God, nothing is impossible", "You can't be saved unless you accept Jesus as your savior."
That's very easy Soul Invictus.

From the definition "God is all good" follows that God is not part of evil. Since we are not in heaven but on earth and since God is not on earth but in heaven we must extract the concept good from heaven and bring it down to earth where it can only be conceived to exist opposite to evil or earth would be just like heaven.

The problem here is that you can't accept Jesus without God because the Annunciation is the prerequisite here. That is why Catholics hold "through Mary to Jesus" and so Gods angel Gabriel is the prime mover here.
 
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I apologize but what is an SOA?
State-Of-Affairs. I'm lazy. Sue me.
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