Tazz10m

What do you all think of this:

Truth is that which is in fact correct. Truth is idependent of "religion","philosophies", or belief systems. People can believe anything they want, but that does not change Truth one bit. People can make religions, just like they come up with philosophies, just like they come up with laws, which are all based upon their beliefs, but they are not necessarily based upon actual, factual, provable, Truth.

A Christian, saying something is Truth, does not make it Truth.
A Jew, saying something is Truth, does not make it Truth.
A Buddist, saying something is Truth, does not make it Truth.
A Judge, saying something is Truth, does not make it Truth.
A Doctor, saying something is Truth, does not make it Truth.
An Expert, saying something is Truth, does not make it Truth.

Truth, is Truth, based upon itself, Truth.
Truth does not change based upon what some man says.
Truth is proven by factual evidence, Truth.
Truth is not proven by someones religion saying it is.
Truth is not whatever is convenient to believe at the moment.
Truth is Truth, and belief is belief, but they are not necessarily the same.
Truth is Truth, and religion is religion, but they are not necessarily the same.

People can believe anything they want.
Truth only believes Truth.
Truth is true.
Truth is Truth.
1=1.
Truth.

emotional

I only partially agree. Truth in the natural universe is proven by factual evidence; but for what is supernatural, there will never be evidence, though it may be true. There will never be evidence for life after death, for example, because life after death is supernatural. That doesn't exclude it from being true.

Tazz10m

I always figured that life and death were perfectly natural. It also seems to me that evidence doesn't necessarily need to be "physical" to be factual proof. It also seems that maybe that which people refer to as "supernatural" is really "natural" but is, as yet, beyond the understanding of those that call it "supernatural", so they consider it "super". Kind of like physics and quantum physics. Maybe quantum physics is really just physics. History seems to prove that techniques we don't have for proving or disproving now, we eventually find later.

braces_for_impact

This goes back to objective/subjective truth.

I always preferred the saying "You can make your own beliefs but not your own facts."

Shadowy Man

Uh.. yes, it is.

Volker.Doormann

It seems to me, that there is something missing: The very one who is able to recognize truth, and because truth is not to be shown (as p. e. physical forces), only he who is able to recognize truth by his own, can have a relation to it. It does mean nothing to them, who are not able to recognize, but only able to define.

Volker

Biff the unclean

Truth in the natural universe is proven by factual evidence; but for what is supernatural, there will never be evidence, though it may be true.
You are contradicting yourself.
(A)Truth in the natural universe is proven by factual evidence;
That is correct, though it would be more accurate to use the word "fact" instead of "truth."
(B)but for what is supernatural, there will never be evidence,
Also correct. Or more accuratetly; there has never been any evidence and there is no sign that any evidence is forth coming.
(C)though it may be true.
C cannot follow A & B. In fact A & B prove that C is false.

Truth in the natural universe is proven by factual evidence; but for what is supernatural, there will never be evidence, therefore it cannot be true.

Biff the unclean

Truth in the natural universe is proven by factual evidence; but for what is supernatural, there will never be evidence, therefore it cannot be true.

This is sort of like the old if a 'tree falls in a forest…' The answer to that is "no it doesn't make a sound." To be a sound you must be heard otherwise you are just vibrating air molecules.
To be the "truth" requires that a statement be supported by evidence.
If I make the statement "you have blonde hair" I am not telling the truth. I have no idea what color hair you have, or even if you have any hair at all. If you actually do have blonde hair I am still not telling you the truth because I hit upon the correct answer by mere accident and not by examination of the evidence. I am telling you that I have information that I do not.

Since even the existence of the "supernatural" is nothing but a guess on your part…and a guess made contrary to all the information you have…it is not the truth

Clutch

To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And, at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between, plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing." This is truth, to me.

-- Jack Handey, Deep Thoughts

emotional

Biff, I have to disagree.

If someone has blonde hair, then that is the truth, and if I say he has blonde hair, although I am guessing, I am saying the truth. Truth is objective and independent of man's guesses. So too a supernatural afterlife may objectively exist, even though no evidence has been found to confirm it. Truth is ascertained by evidence, but it remains true even when no evidence has yet been found. Evolution was true before Darwin marshalled strings of evidence for it in 1859.