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Mageth · 05-24-2003, 10:36 PM

In which case, may God have mercy on your soul.

Are you asking God not to toss an unbeliever in Hell? Are you asking God to go against his will, his divine plan, his very nature, and allow a sinner into Paradise? Do you think you're better, more merciful, than God? And I thought you claimed exclusive understanding of the bible! Perhaps you're the one that should be looking out for lightning bolts.

Infidelettante · 05-25-2003, 03:47 PM

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Originally posted by Darth Dane
No sin here. Eve chose wrong action before she ate the fruit which means she gained the knowledge of good and evil in a way God did not anticipate. Upon eating the fruit she became "as a god" just as God said she would. When she offered the fruit to Adam he responded to her as though she was a god [she was] and obeyed by eating the fruit.

My highlighting. Where in the Bible does it say that?

Otherwise perfect logic as I see it

DD - Perfect Spliff

My bad DD and a bad one at that. It was the serpent who said "thou shall be as gods." I think the argument stands none-the-less. God does say "Behold the man is become one of us, to know good and evil" Gen.3:22.

Who are we to trust , the wise serpent or the lying god. That they would become gods was not revealed to Adam or Eve by God. It was the serpent who told them the truth and God only confessed when he had no choice.

Good catch DD

JT

edited to add - Is there a theist who cares to comment?

Infidelettante · 05-25-2003, 04:27 PM

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Originally posted by 111111 We see the gems inside the rubbish, something they will not permit themselves to do.

Mark9950, God wrote the perfect holy text:

One wonders 111111 why there is so very much rubbish in your perfect book and so few gems. If you would point out just one or two baubles for us perhaps we could take your argument more seriously.

JT

And please, we occultists have a hard enough time without having to account for the Bible too.

mark9950 · 05-25-2003, 05:05 PM

I do not care about my soul because if you read you will find that the soul that sins shall die, not go to heaven or burning hell.

ezekiel 18:4

Magus please read your bible and the passage I give you.

Magus55 · 05-25-2003, 06:31 PM

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Originally posted by mark9950
I do not care about my soul because if you read you will find that the soul that sins shall die, not go to heaven or burning hell.

ezekiel 18:4

Magus please read your bible and the passage I give you.

The soul will die if the person sins without redemption. The soul "dies" in Hell, its called the second death - the spiritual death.

winstonjen · 05-25-2003, 07:51 PM

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Originally posted by Magus55
The soul will die if the person sins without redemption. The soul "dies" in Hell, its called the second death - the spiritual death.

If the soul dies, how can the punishment be eternal?

Vinnie · 05-25-2003, 09:01 PM

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Originally posted by keyser_soze
Well written..

Thank you

Vinnie

mark9950 · 05-26-2003, 12:18 AM

redemption.

The hebrew word for soul is nephesh which means living creature.

Not an immortal soul that goes to heaven and/or hell.

Go to

www.e-sword.net

dowload a free bible and see for yourself.(get the update too)

God made man a living soul(creature)

There is no excuse.

Magus55 · 05-26-2003, 09:07 AM

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Originally posted by mark9950
redemption.

The hebrew word for soul is nephesh which means living creature.

Not an immortal soul that goes to heaven and/or hell.

Go to

www.e-sword.net

dowload a free bible and see for yourself.(get the update too)

God made man a living soul(creature)

There is no excuse.

From strong's:

2) the soul

a) the seat of the feelings, desires, affections, aversions (our heart, soul etc.)

b) the (human) soul in so far as it is constituted that by the right use of the aids offered it by God it can attain its highest end and secure eternal blessedness, the soul regarded as a moral being designed for everlasting life

c) the soul as an essence which differs from the body and is not dissolved by death (distinguished from other parts of the body)

05-25-2003, 05:05 PM	#24
mark9950 Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: midwest usa Posts: 1,203	Magus55,here we go again I do not care about my soul because if you read you will find that the soul that sins shall die, not go to heaven or burning hell. ezekiel 18:4 Magus please read your bible and the passage I give you.

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mark9950 Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: midwest usa Posts: 1,203	Yes the soul will die without redemption. The hebrew word for soul is nephesh which means living creature. Not an immortal soul that goes to heaven and/or hell. Go to www.e-sword.net dowload a free bible and see for yourself.(get the update too) God made man a living soul(creature) There is no excuse.

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Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	In which case, may God have mercy on your soul. Are you asking God not to toss an unbeliever in Hell? Are you asking God to go against his will, his divine plan, his very nature, and allow a sinner into Paradise? Do you think you're better, more merciful, than God? And I thought you claimed exclusive understanding of the bible! Perhaps you're the one that should be looking out for lightning bolts.

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