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Vicar Philip · 08-11-2003, 06:29 PM

Here's a little story I figured my fellow Infidels would enjoy tearing apart:

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Did God create Evil?

At a certain college, there was a professor with a reputation for being tough on Christians. At the first class every semester, he asked if anyone was a Christian and proceeded to degrade and mock their statement of faith.

One semester, he asked the question and a young man raised his hand when asked if anyone was a Christian. The professor asked, "Did God make everything, young man?"

"Yes he did, sir," the young man replied.

The professor responded, "If God made everything, then God made evil, if we can only create from within ourselves, then God is evil."

The student didn't have a response and the professor was happy to have once again proved the Christian faith to be a myth. Then another man raised his hand and asked, "May I ask you something, sir?"

"Yes you may," responded the professor. The young man stood up and said "Sir, is there such thing as cold?"

Of course there is, what kind of a question is that? Haven't you ever been cold?"

The young man replied, "Actually, sir, cold does not exist. What we consider to be cold, is really only the absence of heat. Absolute zero is when there is absolutely no heat, but cold does not really exist. We have only created that term to describe how we feel when heat is not there."

The young man continued, "Sir, is there such thing as dark?" Once again, the professor responded "Of course there is."

And once again, the student replied "Actually, sir, darkness does not exist. Darkness is really only the absence of light. Darkness is only a term man developed to describe what happens when there is no light present."

Finally, the young man asked, "Sir, is there such a thing as evil?"

The professor responded, "Of course. We have rapes, and murders and violence everywhere in the world, those things are evil."

The student replied, "Actually, sir, evil does not exist. Evil is simply the absence of God. Evil is a term man developed to describe the absence of God.

God did not create evil. It isn't like truth, or love, which exist as
virtues like heat and light. Evil is simply the state where God is not
present, like cold without heat, or darkness without light."

The professor had nothing to say.

Do I hear an AMEN!!

First of all, I just love how the Evil Atheist Professor is portrayed immediately as "degrading and mocking" the Christian faith. Could they stereotype us a little more? Thank you.

Next, the EAP is gloating over his obvious victory in smiting the witless Christians yet another year. I hope there aren't really any atheist professors out there that are such assholes. I would guess most of us are remarkably tolerant of other people's faith, since 99% of others believe in some fable or other.

Let's see. Next, the bright Christian student points out that man created the term for "cold." And just what proof does the astute young man have that the term "god" wasn't created by man to comfort those seeking assistance and reassurance that there really is more to life than cold, hard reality? Hmmmmm?

I'll just skip to the end. The Young Christian Student finally defines Evil as the "Absence of god." Now wait a damn minute. Aren't children drilled in Sunday school with the notion that god and Jesus are everywhere?? That he resides in every component of his Creation? That would seem to go against the Christian student's claim about the "absence of god."

And why did the Professor have nothing to say? He apparently isn't a very good atheist. Hell, I could have said something, let alone the verbal assault that would have been conjured up by some of my more intellectual brethren who reside here at IIDB.

Once again, a piss poor portrayal of Atheists by the Almighty Christians. Amen indeed.

Rational BAC · 08-11-2003, 06:38 PM

What was he supposed to be a professor of? Basket weaving?

I would think that the average High School graduate should know that cold is the absence of heat, darkness is the absence of light, etc.

Biff the unclean · 08-11-2003, 06:39 PM

I know that EAP. He's the one who inadvertently proved that god exists when the piece of chalk landed in his pants cuff. He's Evil but he isn't very bright.

RRoman · 08-11-2003, 06:51 PM

mmmm.... so by that definition: are rocks good or evil?

Biff the unclean · 08-11-2003, 06:56 PM

Of all the stories like this that I've heard I've yet to hear one that wasn't an obvious fiction. Why do you suppose that is? Surely the Xian must get the upper hand once in a while in real life that you wouldn't have to invent stories. And aren't there a number of Xian sins involved in the telling of such urban legends?

Asha'man · 08-11-2003, 07:10 PM

I swear I've read this story before, here, and moderately recently.

Fortunately, someone finished the story properly, and the theist came out looking like the laughingstock he is.

Anyone got time for the search?

Proctors_Gambit · 08-11-2003, 07:56 PM

Oh to add in a few more lines...

Professor : Does God exist?

Student: Of course he exists, he created the world and has a place for us in heaven.

Professor: Actually God is just the absense of rational thought and a lack of the acceptance of mortality.

The student had nothing to say.

-Gambit

livius drusus · 08-11-2003, 07:57 PM

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Originally posted by Asha'man
Anyone got time for the search?

You called?

Quantum Ninja · 08-11-2003, 07:58 PM

This doesn't remove the blame from God for the existence of evil. He still created the universe in such a way that there are parts of it that are capable of being void of his presence.

The argument made by the author of that e-mail is self-refuting. God is still responsible for the existence of coldness. Even if he only directly created heat energy, he created the universe in such a way that parts of it are absent of heat. The same can be said about darkness/light, and the same can be said about evil/good.

This story either tells me that God took a few shortcuts in designing the universe, making it a shoddy, incomplete work, or that God intentionally created it this way. That would make him either a lazy slacker or the intentional creator of evil.

MJones · 08-11-2003, 08:10 PM

I'm surprised EAP had nothing to say. Usually he runs out of the classroom screaming or some such shit. At least that's what he did in the chalk incident.

Dirty Dog

08-11-2003, 07:10 PM	#6
Asha'man Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: southeast Posts: 2,526	Heard it Before I swear I've read this story before, here, and moderately recently. Fortunately, someone finished the story properly, and the theist came out looking like the laughingstock he is. Anyone got time for the search?

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08-11-2003, 06:38 PM	#2
Rational BAC Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Tampa Bay area Posts: 3,471	What was he supposed to be a professor of? Basket weaving? I would think that the average High School graduate should know that cold is the absence of heat, darkness is the absence of light, etc.

08-11-2003, 06:39 PM	#3
Biff the unclean Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: an inaccessible island fortress Posts: 10,638	I know that EAP. He's the one who inadvertently proved that god exists when the piece of chalk landed in his pants cuff. He's Evil but he isn't very bright.

08-11-2003, 06:51 PM	#4
RRoman Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Durham, UK / Frankfurt, Germany Posts: 345	mmmm.... so by that definition: are rocks good or evil?

08-11-2003, 06:56 PM	#5
Biff the unclean Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: an inaccessible island fortress Posts: 10,638	Of all the stories like this that I've heard I've yet to hear one that wasn't an obvious fiction. Why do you suppose that is? Surely the Xian must get the upper hand once in a while in real life that you wouldn't have to invent stories. And aren't there a number of Xian sins involved in the telling of such urban legends?

08-11-2003, 07:56 PM	#7
Proctors_Gambit Regular Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 372	Oh to add in a few more lines... Professor : Does God exist? Student: Of course he exists, he created the world and has a place for us in heaven. Professor: Actually God is just the absense of rational thought and a lack of the acceptance of mortality. The student had nothing to say. -Gambit

08-11-2003, 07:58 PM	#9
Quantum Ninja Regular Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Between here and there Posts: 412	This doesn't remove the blame from God for the existence of evil. He still created the universe in such a way that there are parts of it that are capable of being void of his presence. The argument made by the author of that e-mail is self-refuting. God is still responsible for the existence of coldness. Even if he only directly created heat energy, he created the universe in such a way that parts of it are absent of heat. The same can be said about darkness/light, and the same can be said about evil/good. This story either tells me that God took a few shortcuts in designing the universe, making it a shoddy, incomplete work, or that God intentionally created it this way. That would make him either a lazy slacker or the intentional creator of evil.

08-11-2003, 08:10 PM	#10
MJones Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Lincoln, AL Posts: 1,048	I'm surprised EAP had nothing to say. Usually he runs out of the classroom screaming or some such shit. At least that's what he did in the chalk incident. Dirty Dog

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