Zengi

In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful

Greetings...

<a href="http://www.islamic.org.uk/gde.html" target="_blank">http://www.islamic.org.uk/gde.html</a> -Full Article-

...7. I could not enjoy Monty Python half as much, were I a theist. But on a more serious note.

I have read that some high percentage of New York Catholic Priests were diagnosed as paranoid schizophrenic by the MMPI (I think it was around 60%, well over 1000 times the national average maybe someone could supply me with a reference), and also the systems of temporal lobe syndrome (or epilepsy) correlate highly with religiosity. In other words sick people become devout religious types.
I do not have any symptoms of schizophrenia or temporal lobe epilepsy...

<a href="http://www.islamic.org.uk/gde.html" target="_blank">http://www.islamic.org.uk/gde.html</a> -Full Article-

Your Comments...?

bgponder

Ah, Zengi.

<img src="graemlins/boohoo.gif" border="0" alt="[Boo Hoo]" /> "No other explanation is rational."

That's enough for me to write off Islam. That's what they all say. Nothing special about a religion that claims to be the One and True and Universal Big Deal.

There is only one "revelation" known, of which it can be absolutely truly said, that it did not originate from the mind of humankind, and it is self-evident. That is the revelation of natural fact.

BTW, religious devotion generally only indicates a more or less deep personal or social need, IMHO.

Is it true that The Prophet's favorite wife was six years old? Or is that just legend, or anti-Islamic propaganda?

Peace and Cornbread Barry

Foxhole Atheist

From Zengi:

“So you're convinced that God doesn't exist. Why do you think this way?”

It’s really simple, Zengi. Just look around. Do you see any gods?

Zengi

In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful

Greetings...

-bgponder-:
"...Is it true that The Prophet's favorite wife was six years old? Or is that just legend, or anti-Islamic propaganda?..."

Zengi: Incorrect; you should consider asking this same question at <a href="http://www.askimam.com" target="_blank">http://www.askimam.com</a>

What does Prophet's Wife(peace and blessings of Allah Ta'ala be upon them both) have to do with the Post?


-Foxhole Atheist-:
"...
It’s really simple, Zengi. Just look around. Do you see any gods?..."

Zengi:
(He is) the knower of the Unseen, and He revealeth unto none His secret,

Except an apostle whom He has chosen: and then He makes a band of watchers march before him and behind him

"That he may know that they have (truly) brought and delivered the Messages of their Lord: and He surrounds (all the mysteries) that are with them and takes account of every single thing."
-al Qur'an-

hinduwoman

We atheists require proof before we believe in God. Blind Faith doesnot cut it for us. It is as simple as that.

Triple Six

Zengi

Greetings in the name of Santa Claus (just to keep other fictional characters employed )

The short answer is that there is no credible evidence for the existence of a god. There is plenty of evidence to show large sections of religious tracts are wrong, either originally written from stupidity and ignorance, which is hardly the quality of an all knowing god, or just plain old lies and fantasies.

I had a quick look at your link and got as far as point 1. The "authenticity" of the Qua'ran, because it is allegedly perfectly transcribed from the original, does nothing to refute the fact it is originally a man made work of fiction. If a 2000 year version of "Three Blind Mice" is found does this nursery rhyme suddenly become the unimpeachable voice of truth? Anyway I couldn't be bothered to waste much time on the other 21 "refutations", especially since they spend half their time attacking christianity to "refute" an atheist point, where's the logic in that?

By the way why do you follow a brutal, hate filled religion that oppresses women and has stood still for the last ten centuries when there is plenty of readily available evidence to cast doubt on its truths?

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bgponder

Zengi:

Quite simply because if it were true that The Prophet's favorite wife was six years old, and that was/is considered acceptable to Allah, then I cannot respect the Prophet or the idea of Allah, much less worship Allah according to the words of the Prophet. Regardless of place and custom, pedophilia is pedophilia, and NOTHING can sanctify, justify, or otherwise ameliorate that fact.

Peace and cornbread Barry

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David Gould

I think this is a little unfair.

Many men married young girls in history - most girls were married by a very young age.

And unless there is reference to the Prophet actually having sex with the girl while she was 'underage' (a legal term that is different from state to state and country to country so I am uncertain of just where the 'true' moral line is drawn) then your accusation of pedophillia does not stand.

Technically in some religious traditions boys and girls were engaged prior to birth and married soon afterwards. This in no way indicates that sexual relations were occurring when either were young children.

bgponder

Dear David, Zengi:

Please believe that I am not jumping to conclusions (thus my question as to whether this was anti-Islamic propaganda). I am asking because of something my wife told me about an article she read in Time, IIRC. That story said that The Prophet's favorite wife was six. There was also something relating to sexual age in the article, of which I don't recall all the facts, so I will refrain from commenting upon it until I can ask my wife again and check the piece.

I tried to ask the imam as per the link Zengi gave but it was overloaded and won't be available again for about six hours.

Peace and Cornbread Barry

bgponder

Zengi, David, and others interested:

I have just now returned to the "ask imam" link that Zengi provided and got this:

Apparently there are many questions continually asked, mostly by Muslims, if I read the general disposition of the site correctly--this implies that many believers have less than perfect understanding of the relation of Islamic Law to the needs of everyday life. While this(the dearth of questions) may indicate religious fervor, it surely indicates that the tenets of Islam as extrapolated into Islamic Law suffer from the same interpretative dilemmas as other religions, at least inasmuch as the influence of this South African imam's site is relevant to the whole.

As to the article I mentioned: In the 12/3/01 issue of Time in a story by Lisa Beyer entitled "The Women of Islam" it is reported that--

I would rather reserve further comment until this issue can be completely delineated and clarified by others better informed, as my emotions may override my intellect and this thread be moderated and moved to RRP.

Most Sincerely in Hope of Peace and cornbread
Barry G.

(edited fer clarity)

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