Emily

I resently went on a beach trip with a freinds youth group. In ride there I got in an arguement over abortion with a guy in the van. He said getting an abortion is murder, killing anything with a heartbeat is murder blah blah. This makes me so mad. I don't even think guys should have an opionion when it comes to abortion. Guys have been trying to control woman sense the begining of time.. and getting an abortion is a womans right. well my point is is that some people really make me mad. what do you all think?

PopeInTheWoods

I agree, some people really make me mad too.

There's some fairly recent (and exhaustive) threads on both the morality and the legality of abortion in the "Political Discussions" and "Moral Foundations and Principles" fora.

Andy

dangin

Everyone has the right to their opinion. Even when they are wrong.

Saying abortion isn't a man's issue is a little off though. Abortion isn't anyone's issue who didn't make the child. In other words it's not the other 3 billion women's business what the one pregnent woman does anymore than it is any man's business other than the father.

Welcome to the boards by the way. Quite a few fine NC folk here.

Toto

Most people think it takes more than a heartbeat. You are only clinically dead when your brain shuts down irreversably, so it makes sense to define human life as beginning when the brain starts to function.

While the man who participated in the pregnancy might have an interest in the matter, as the law stands now he has no say in the woman's decision to continue to pregnancy or abort it.

If you want to prevent people like this from controlling your life, you need to go beyond getting mad. You need to understand the issues and be prepared to defend your point of view. The Religious Right is mounting a campaign to restrict and eventually outlaw abortion, and are using a variety of fallacious arguments.

VTboy

I dont have a problem with Abortion in the First 2 Trimester but there are thousands of abortions in the third trimester done on healthy babies who do not have to die. Some people like you pro abortion people should get some facts straight. I get mad when I talk to pro abortion people like you support the murder of babies.

Toto

VT - we keep asking for what proof you have that abortions are done in the third trimester on healthy mothers with normal fetuses, and you have not come up with any facts. Several posters have given information that abortions in the third trimester are only done for medical reasons, or when the fetus is not viable. But you just repeat your assertion. Why do you believe that what you say is true?

Anti-abortionists are running a slick and deceptive PR campaign against the so-called "partial birth abortion". It is only the opening gambit in their attempt to outlaw all abortions.

beejay

If one truly believes that abortion is murder, it's not surprising that they would have an opinion.

Which is why it's important to have presidents, senators, representatives and judges who do not believe abortion is murder.

NonHomogenized

Nice assertion. Where's the evidence to back it up?

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Some people like you pro abortion people should get some facts straight. I get mad when I talk to pro abortion people like you support the murder of babies.

Y'know, I've never met a pro-ABORTION person (well, sometimes I've been tempted to say that I think people like Dubya should have been aborted, but that's in fits of anger over their stupidity), nor do I expect that I ever will. I've met a great many pro-CHOICE people. As it should be.

VTboy

Again do research on it. Thousands of so called unhealthy mothers only have mental problems. If she is to insane to have the child why cant they just give it up for adoption. You also give 0 none that say most are done when the mother and child is not healthy. Again I dont consider mental health a real health problem.

hezekiah jones

Originally posted by VTboy
Again I dont consider mental health a real health problem.

Well isn't that special.