Goober

Magus55,

This is so much absolute bullshit I just can't go past it. Care to explain?

Firstly why can't you make amends to god? No matter how trivial the offense god will never forgive you? Doesn't sound very loving to me. Secondly, you can make ammends. A quick deathbed conversion to christianity and repentance of your sins is enough to save you.

And god made us like we are, so god is not only judging us by standards we cannot possibly meet, he is the one to blame for us failing to live up to the standards in the first place. <sarcasm> Wow, that just spells out love to me! I can really see gods justice there! </sarcasm>

By giving us an ancient, mythical book that contradicts both itself and the evidence in front of our eyes. God could speak to each and every one of us and tell us how to be saved from eternal torture, but he would rather rely on a outdated book that makes no sense and not everyone gets to see. Then god allows a bunch of other religions to come along that offer similar stuff but damns you to hell if you believe in those. Its entirely our problem that they are all supported by the same level of evidence.

Did god ask me if I wanted his gift? No, I don't think he did. All I got was a crappy book written by people. And of course god is so just that once you're in hell, you can't get out, even if you decided to cease living in sin. Oh well, better get used to having people stick pitchforks in your arse. What's that? You didn't believe in Jesus but you still lead a moral life? Well, I hope you enjoy molten brimstone, because god would rather fill heaven with mass-murderers who had deathbed conversions than really sinful people like you.

Magus, I often wonder if your brain is connected to your mouth at all, because the crap that you say....

Magus55

How would i know when and where? I'm not the omniscient one, God is. But I do know you've sinned in your life ( ever lied, cussed, insulted God, gotten angry, jealous, overindulged in something, been lazy, been greedy, been prideful etc?)

Godless Dave

So let me get this straight:

You claim we all have free will. We have the ability to make a decision not to sin.

But you claim we are all sinners.

Doesn't the fact that not one human being has ever used his or her free will to lead a sin-free life indicate that something is wrong with the whole "sin" system?

Asha'man

As best I can tell, sin is a synonym for breathing.

Apparently, everyone does it, and they have no choice about it. Is your God the type that would condemn someone for breathing? Sure sounds like it....

Nialler

Magus,

You stated that I sin daily.

Show me the proof. Give me an instance rather than merely giving genaralised descriptions of your daily behaviour.

You may think that I'm being rather pedantic here, but I refuse to allow such a broad and offensive accusation to be made without some justification.

Am I guilty? Maybe. But I require that you you show me what guilt I bear. When it has been shown to me I will turn myself in to the appropriate authorities.

You also ask "How could I know?". Precisely my point. Don't throw your offensive accusations around without *knowing* first.

nogods4me

Quite right Nialler, I tell people often, and with complete sincerity that I have never sinned for that very reason. Why should I feel guilty for breaking the rules of a fictional being? SHould I also fret that I have disobeyed some of the principles of the Tao of Pooh?

Soul Invictus

Off the top of my head, I would say the whole idea about God saying "Let there be light" (As a side note, how would man know what God said? Did God sit down with the scribe and say..." Well, you see it went like this, I said 'Let there be light and...' ?)

The ancient African doctrine, Theban specifically, begins with the Creation stemming from the appearance of light. After Ptah appears he commands Atum to appear (which happens to appear as a serpent.

Concerning the tree of knowledge of good and evil and the tree of life, they represent the Egyptian deities Shu and Tefnut.

In Egyptian Coffin Text 80 the Helipolitan myth contains this story, which is too similar in nature.

Atum's two children, Shu (agent of life) and Tefnut (principle of moral order, or Maat)

Coffin Text 80 Line 63 states "It is your daughter Order that you shall eat)

Both the Egyptian and Genesis accounts tell the chief deity created two fundamental principles, Life and Moral Order. In the Egyptian version, Atum is told to eat of Maat, while in Genesis Adam (notice the name similarity?) is told to not to eat of moral order.


The significance of the serpent is due to Egyptian art. Ra, the sun god, circled the earth daily and fought at night with Aphophis. Again, this picture is prevalent in Egyptian artistic display.

The reason behind changing the trees for the Genesis account is because the Egyptian concept that knowledge of Maat leading to eternal life conflicted with Hebrew montheistic teachings.