Rousseau_CHN

Is the end of the world really the end of the world?
Will evil really end come rapture day?
Is there peace in heaven?

Lucifer rejected God's goodness, eventhough he was God's favorite. Should Christian go to heaven, how sure are they that they will not renegade and reject God, too?

When I was in school, I was told that Heaven was pure contentment. Worshipping and praising God was pure contentment. There will be no more want or needs. And Yet, Satan asked for more. Satan was not contented. And the fact that he is a pure spirit makes it more troublesome. What could a pure spirit, who cannot feel pain or hunger, have wanted more?

And what are the chances that you might just want what he wanted?

Now should there exist such a want, then some angels would again renegade and start the whole evil and good thing again?

What is that want? If God is pure good and all, then why should Lucifer looked for something else?

(If you have seen the light, why do you still opt for darkness? I'm talking to Satan here.)

ah crap...

Sabine Grant

Hello Rousseau.... the "satan" "God" ordeal is based on satan wanting to equal the power of God. It is more a matter of pride than a matter of " not seing the light". At least that is what most christians will tell you.

Also are we to consider that all our choices are led by the desire to seek what is good ? I fear not....what is self serving and self gratifying seems to weight heavy in the balance of our choices. I am not sure that being content thru non material and non physical factors prevails in our choices. At least not in a materialistic society.

Shake

So, exactly. Why would we not want to each create our own little universe and be a god to inhabitants of it?

Bree

Huh?

What about the book of Job? Didn't God and Satan get together and decide to antagonise the poor guy? So wouldn't that make Satan and God equal in power? Or was God just being the nice guy and decided to share power for a while?

Amos

Yes it will as it must. The secret here is that when the ego raptures that which remains is in heaven and not the other way around. That is, the body does not go up in rapture but the pretentious ego does.

Lucifer was born again and therefore God's favorite but rejected God because he was born from carnal desire instead of God. If heaven is a place on earth, so called Christians renege God when they seek justification in the law instead of God. This is clear from Gal.5:4 wherein anyone who has found favor in God and "seeks justification in the law has already been severed from Christ and fallen from God's favor!" (exclamation not mine).

Because he's been given a scorpion instead of a fish and therefore the "good and evil thing" will start all over again except that this time "the final imposter will be much worse than the first." In other words, if a little bit of heaven is added to human perception (as in "I've seen the light"), the person will be on fire for the Lord but will die nonetheless.

(If you have seen the light, why do you still opt for darkness? I'm talking to Satan here.)

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Because the angel of light cannot sustain through the darkness of night and must be rekindled every morning. The metaphysics here is that the light of common day must be extrapolated from the celestial light and unless we are born into this light the darkness will overcome and return.

holy crap . . .

atheist_in_foxhole

The whole "Satan" story is total bullshit. Why would a loving, decent god create a monster that would terrorize his children? Why would an all-powerful god "fight" one of his own creations? It makes no sense. But it all makes perfect sense if both "Satan" and "God" are nothing more than fictional characters invented by primitive, supersititous people thousands of years ago.

Amos

Hello Bree, I never read the book of Job but can't you see (and hear) how most Christians claim to have been "touched by God" and are therefore on fire for the Lord? There is no way on earth that you or I could muster the courage and determination they find within themselves to further their cause unless they have a touch of the divine in them.

So no, it is not equal in power but it is a matter of satan getting the inspiration from God which is renewed on a daily basis by the bible reader himself who so is his own antagonist. This is why I suggested to biblegoddess that she must be carefull not to land in a lake of fire where even the best of intentions will add feul to the fire she is trying to quench (the four letter word is the best solution).

Amos

Perhaps but try to tell this to those who are full of it.

Janaya

Some related questions to ponder:

How can we know that God won?

How do we know that he is who he says he is?

If Satan (evil) actually won this supposed war coundn't he simply take God's name as well as his position, and then, of course, proceed to say and do whatever he wished? (or is the name and the position one and the same?)

Assuming that these Christian beliefs are true and considering the vile nature of most of the Bible I think that this scenario is a distinct possibility.

This would just wreak havoc with Pascal's Wager.

Strawberry

Amos, you have time to make 3000+ posts on II over less than 2 years, but you don't have time to actually read the book you're here arguing for? Not even for background research's sake? Doesn't it bother you that a bunch of atheists have read all the xtian scriptures and you haven't?