big d

Went to church again with Sis and the preacher’s sermon was on creation versus science and evolution. Here are the main points, would love input:

#1 Evolution says “life evolves toward higher order and complexity” and Creation shows that “since creation life has moved toward less complexity”. Therefore Creation is true.

#2 Genesis flood (worldwide) has now been accepted by science as fact due to every single mountain range in the world having marine fossils on it.

#3 The following “laws” support Creation and not evolution:
a. First law of thermodynamics – total sum of all energy and matter is constant –nothing is gained.
b. 2nd law of thermodynamics – all matter is becoming less orderly and running down
c. Law of biogenesis- only life produces life, so chemicals coming together in a primordial swamp and forming a living organism is non-sense.
d. The fossil record vindicates Creation and destroys evolution – no transitional fossils, evolution in fossils a myth. There is not a single transitional fossil. Secondly, there is not a geological column that evolutionists use to prove the record –it simply doesn’t exist.

Lastly, on his deathbed, Charles Darwin admitted that as a younger man he was mistaken, admitted he was wrong and people had made a religion out of his theories, and he wanted his housekeeper to share the gospel of Jesus Christ with his friends and neighbors. Said he was reading Hebrews – the royal book as he called it.

So we can plainly see, creation wins. (not)

Oolon Colluphid

Big d, you don't need us to say why all this is godswallop (sic). Just pop along to <a href="http://www.talkorigins.org" target="_blank">www.talkorigins.org</a> , or browse any previous thread...

Oolon

Oolon Colluphid

Ah to Hades’s realm with it...

Meaningless. Where does Creation say that? Are we all bacteria? Conversely, evolution requires no such thing. Ask him to define.

An outright lie.

Go learn some geology. Start with plate tectonics and folding. And ask why there are no teleosts in Cambrian sediments.

“Nothing is gained” is meaningless. The “total sum of all energy” refers to the total in the whole universe, not our little corner of it. Matter isn’t constant, that’s what E=mc^2 is all about. The 1LoT is otherwise irrelevant.

... in a closed system. That big hot bright thing in the sky kinda suggests the earth is not a closed system.

1. Define ‘life’.
2. Go look up ‘abiogenesis’.
3. There is no such ‘law’. (See 1)

PML!

1. Define ‘transitional’. Depending on this, the statement is a lie.
2. Having defined transitional, why are Archaepoteryx, Caudipteryx, Acantostega, Ichthyostega, the Synapsia, Australopithecus afarensis, Homo habilis and ergaster, and so on and on, not transitional? Transitional implies a pattern. A fossil can’t be transitional unless you are trying to unite lineages. Evolution predicts that creatures with features of now separated lineages should have existed. Many have been found.

Another outright lie. Ask Patrick, John Solum and co to explain.

A lie, and an irrelevant one at that. See <a href="http://www.ediacara.org/hope.html" target="_blank">http://www.ediacara.org/hope.html</a> . It does not matter in the slightest what Darwin did or didn’t think; 150 years of research later, we know that evolution is right. We don’t take Darwin’s word for it. We don’t take anyone’s word for it. We can check the evidence for ourselves.

Big d, ask anyone at the church, especially the preacher, to pop on over here. He is a liar, or misinformed by liars. Either way, I thought his bible suggested spreading falsehoods was not a good thing.

TTFN, Oolon

tgamble

Where does evolution say this?

Genesis flood has been rejected by science for 200+ years. Marine fossils on mountains (and I doubt they are on every mountain range) are due to geologic uplifting.

[quote]#3 The following “laws” support Creation and not evolution:
a. First law of thermodynamics – total sum of all energy and matter is constant –nothing is gained.
b. 2nd law of thermodynamics – all matter is becoming less orderly and running down
c. Law of biogenesis- only life produces life, so chemicals coming together in a primordial swamp and forming a living organism is non-sense.
[QUOTE]

see talkorigins.org for rebuttals of this nonsense.

Wrong on both.
<a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/geocolumn/" target="_blank">http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/geocolumn/</a>

Missing the Missing Links: A Critical Look at Creationist Paleontology <a href="http://www.members.aol.com/ps418/tran.htm" target="_blank">http://www.members.aol.com/ps418/tran.htm</a>

The Fossil Record: Evolution or "Scientific Creation" Clifford A. Cuffey <a href="http://www.gcssepm.org/special/cuffey_00.htm" target="_blank">http://www.gcssepm.org/special/cuffey_00.htm</a>

Transitional Vertebrate Fossils FAQ <a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-transitional.html" target="_blank">http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-transitional.html</a>

Fossil Horses FAQs <a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/horses/" target="_blank">http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/horses/</a>

The Origin of Whales and the Power of Independent Evidence by Raymond Sutera <a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/features/whales/" target="_blank">http://www.talkorigins.org/features/whales/</a>

Creationist Mindblocks to Whale Evolution <a href="http://www.angelfire.com/fl/direpuppy/mindblocks.html" target="_blank">http://www.angelfire.com/fl/direpuppy/mindblocks.html</a>

The Precambrian to Cambrian Fossil Record and Transitional Forms <a href="http://www.asa3.org/ASA/topics/Evolution/PSCF12-97Miller.html" target="_blank">http://www.asa3.org/ASA/topics/Evolution/PSCF12-97Miller.html</a>

Taxonomy, Transitional Forms, and the Fossil Record <a href="http://www.asa3.org/ASA/resources/Miller.html" target="_blank">http://www.asa3.org/ASA/resources/Miller.html</a>

It's really amazing that this myth is still being parroted by cretinists. Even AIG rejects it. Hell, I think even Kent Hovind has stopped useing it!

Daggah

You know, it's quite funny. The tactics this preacher uses to claim "creation wins" are all dishonest - which basically makes this entire situation analagous to the creation vs. evolution debate anyway.

Darwin's Finch

Another nice example of what happens when you give a jackass a divinity degree and a microphone, and he doesn't have to worry about any of the sheep publicly disputing his lack of learning or integrity.

Chrestomathy

Interestingly enough, this morning's Rocky Mountain News has a letter (right under a reasonable letter from a Scientist who's also a Christian) from a lady who extols creation as fact. Of course, she offers no proof. And, shame on all us "lost" left-wingers who are trying to brainwash her!

Dan


<a href="http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/opinion/article/0,1299,DRMN_38_1082736,00.html" target="_blank">silly letter</a>

Kosh

From the letter
<img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" /> Indeed. Now, isn't that special!?

MrDarwin

It's so depressing that we have to refute the exact same nonsense, over and over.

Late_Cretaceous

I like the part in the "silly letter" where she quotes "I ask you just to use common sense. Have you ever seen a bang, an explosion, create something?"

Well, an explosion can create a mighty big hole in the ground. And a whole bunch of little explosions every second can move a car. And one extremely long lived themonuclear explosion can provide all the energy required for life on earth for billions of years.