SingleDad

John E.D.P. Malin

I suspect that you've been overindulging either in drugs or Revelations.

Bestiality is not universially damned. The presence of even a single counterexample (such as my own) contradicts the universiality of the condemnation. While I consider it gross, I do not "damn" it or consider it depravity.

However, even the common view of bestiality is not so severe. In most people's minds, many forms of sexual activity are more strongly condemned, including:

<ol type="1">[*]Child molesting/pedophilia[*]Forcible Rape[*]Statutory Rape[/list=a]

Ranking bestiality next to "sodomy" (it is unclear whether you mean homosexual sex or anal intercourse) also shows your religious biases. Most people in this enlightened age consider neither practice at all objectionable, so long as one remembers to use precautions to prevent the spread of disease.

BTW: I hope yur self-righteousness and pompous posturing are intentionally satirical. It is uncharitable to derive humor at another's expense.

Mad Kally

No I'm not bi-polar. Is it on your madness list of 337 diagnoses? Does madness = schizophrenia, depression, anxiety disorders, drug induced psychosis, post-partum depression, OBS, etc.? I don't recall the word "madness" in the DSM-IV, or that there are 337 of them.

Lady Kalissa

tronvillain

John E.D.P Malin:
Perhaps, but why should I care if it does?

What the hell are you talking about? There's no reason anal sex should be inherently any more degrading than vaginal or oral sex. Freak.

John E.D.P. Malin

Single Dad:

I do not think you know what 'beastiality' is?

Do you know what sodomy is? Anal penetration of either a man or a woman.

The question is: Is it moral? No! Society has universally damned these modes of sexual activity.

Do I agree? Not necessarily! But there are psychological develolpments that occur with these sort of sexual activities. A pre-occupation with the self being its main moral crime!

There is a reason why we value moral chastity, delimited human sexual contact and intense sexual activity with a permanent lover.

I repeat academic and psychological literature I have read here. If you practice these two modes of sexuality, do you consider yourself well-adjusted sexually? Are you physically ugly, so your own sex or women will have nothing to do with you? Explain your justification for sodomy/bestiality!


Lord Malin

P.S. It should be restricted to billionaires in our society alone!

Viti

What are you babbling about? Anal sex, though not my personal cuppa tea, is an enjoyable act for many people male and female.

PS Oral sex is considered "sodomy" by some groups/states

MadMordigan

But there are psychological develolpments that occur with these sort of sexual activities. A pre-occupation with the self being its main moral crime!

There is a reason why we value moral chastity, delimited human sexual contact and intense sexual activity with a permanent lover.

I repeat academic and psychological literature I have read here. If you practice these two modes of sexuality, do you consider yourself well-adjusted sexually? Are you physically ugly, so your own sex or women will have nothing to do with you? Explain your justification for sodomy/bestiality!

All this time, I thought I knew what I considered moral. Good thing you came along and sorted me out.

SingleDad

John E.D.P. Malin

Yes I do. I might not have your "exceptionally powerful and healthy brain" but I can tie my own shoes without assistance.

Does your magnificent brain fail to understand the meaning of the word <a href="http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=universal" target="_blank">universal</a> (especially sense 7)?

You are fallaciously making an assertion without proof: Societal opinion does not necessarily establish morality. Second, you are making a statement contrary to fact: members of our own society (I presume you're American) do not universally (nor even particularly commonly) condem bestiality as a moral evil.

Better brush up on that logic, big fella.

Why should the preoccupation the self be a moral crime?

The existence of a commonly held value does not imply that the contrary held value is morally wrong. You also assert the existence of a reason without telling us what you think it is. In case you haven't noticed, we're skeptics and freethinkers here. If we're not going to take matters of fact on the word of a millennia-old religion, we're not going to take your word.

Perhaps you should also look up the word <a href="http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=repeat" target="_blank">repeat</a> as well. I have seen you post no repetitions of work from academic and psychological literature here, merely your own opinion which you present as authoritative.

You appear to have a reading comprehension problem. One may have an opinion about the morality of an activity which one does not participate in.

I won't respond directly to the explicit insult; I expect that one of the mods will presently delete it as gratuitious and warn you for making abusive comments contrary to the <a href="http://www.infidels.org/infidels/forumrules.html" target="_blank">Forum Rules and Policies</a>.

My justification is that someone else's sexual proclivities, so long as they do not interfere with the consent of another human being, cause me no inconvenience whatsoever.

Uh... yeah... whatever.

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tronvillain

John E.D.P Malin, are you joking? I hope so, but:

First of all, I can't believe you'd think SingleDad would be talking about either activity without knowing what they are. Also, as LadyShea points out, "somomy" can encompass oral sex.

Well, what I consider "moral" doesn't depend on public opinion, but these days anal sex is definitely not "universally damned." Zoophilia may repulse people a lot more, but I don't know that they universally damn it - I don't, so the damnation obviously can't be universal.

I'm not going to reply to this gibberish with anything more than .

How does "moral chastity" differ from chastity? I'd like to know the specific reason we value those things, especially since we often value their opposites as well.

Would you care to cite the actual literature? Personally, I enjoy anal sex and consider myself extremely well adjusted sexually. I don't need any justification - I enjoy anal sex and there is no apparent reason to not do it.

Freak.

hedonologist

We meet again Lord,
I saw a man masturbating a dog's ears one time (not masturbating with a dog's ears but masturbating the ears themselves). He was reveling in all his power for all this pleasure he was giving him and getting the poor creature to do tricks like "come", "sit", "pet me", "feed me". The guy had no choice, he was his love slave, hopelessly dependent on seeing another of those cute doggie held tilts and he couldn't resist the whining whenever he stopped pleasuring that dominatrix.

But this was my favorite part here:
Oooooh so you have slept with an animal and now you are trying to justify this behavior? hehe

John E.D.P. Malin

Lady Shea, Tronvillain, Mad Kally, Single Dad & Madmordigan:

I compress and synthesize your obdurate remarks to my innocuous postings here!

The question was, Is bestiality moral? I claim that it is not. I do not invoke sterile religion nor self-serving platitudes of enacted State legal codes.

To my knowledge none of you are 'beastialitists'; some of you are sodomites. I presume these sodomites also engage in other modes of sexuality as well.

This begs the question, Is all modes of sexual activity free of moral evaluation? One writer restricts pedophilia, and two legal species of rape. Why?

Is it possible to use sexuality as a weapon to seduce the unaware by domination conferred by power and wealth? Is the love object of the dominant sex partner reduced in status or damaged in some fundamental way by this more aggressive partner? Shall we introduce the notion of active and passive partner?

My interest here on this chat forum is to inculcate human happiness for all of us; I do not wish to restrict behaviour unless I think it is ultimately bad in time-space.

I suspect bestiality and sodomy will destabilize a human personality in time. I do not suspect that it produces a functioning healthy mental outlook that fosters group survival under extreme stress (why we have moral and religious codes in the first place; if they did not confer survival value, these codes would have become extinct centuries ago).

This does not mean that I wish to be judgmental here. I frankly don't give a damn what another person does sexually in bed with his mate/s. However, I do not wish to live in a society totally depraved by excessive attention to sexual activities that promotes psychological insecurity or underminds the integrity of the personality!

Lastly, documented literature! It is vast. May I quote German, French and Latin sources to this group? Or must I restrict myself to modern English?


Lord Malin