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ex-robot · 02-25-2002, 10:09 AM

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Originally posted by pseudobug:


Yes they do ex-robot, they certainly do. They can, however, take the fudie approach and accept that mere bacteria are capable of "micro-evolution" and the really "big stuff" mutations requie that "goddidit".

Yeah, they could. That isn't what this particular M.D. is saying though in this case.

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Also, it has been my experience from working with and teaching a lot of MDs-to-be that they are not necessarily the sharpest tools in the shed.

No doubt this is true, but one would think an M.D. at Harvard would be one of the more sharper ones.

xr

scigirl · 02-25-2002, 10:31 AM

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Originally posted by tgamble:
"What I have learned in the past ten years of review of recent scientific knowledge of cellular morphology and physiology, the code of life (DNA), and the lack of supporting evidence for evolution in the light of recent scientific evidence is a shocking rebuttal to the theory of evolution...There is no evidence of any kind for this theory." -Dr. Isaac Manly, M.D. Harvard Medical School

Ah, I've got it beat. The two people who discovered the structure of DNA (and prob know more about DNA than anyone else on the planet ) = watson and crick. And they are ATHEISTS!

As far as doctors being pro or anti evolution- you really don't learn it in med school. I bet many doctors have never even taken a class on evolution. I only took it because MSU is big on wildlife biology.

I think it's easy for them to be intelligent design advocates though. Couple their arrogance with a lack of genetic understanding, add that to their knowledge that the human body is so complex. . .sure they may be ID'ers on average. But YECS? Doubtful. I mean, they all had to pass the MCAT!

I also think that doctors who do research - especially epidemiogy - are more likely to believe in macroevolution. I'll have to search for some stats on this topic.

scigirl

scigirl · 02-25-2002, 10:43 AM

From the alumni pages at Harvard:
<a href="http://whitepages.med.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/WebPhalum" target="_blank">http://whitepages.med.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/WebPhalum</a>

Name: Dr. Isaac Vaughn Manly

Specialty: Surgery, Certified

Year of Graduation: 1946

Um, 1946? Yeah, he probably didn't learn much about evolution in 1946 - when was DNA discovered again?

scigirl

ex-robot · 02-25-2002, 11:09 AM

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Originally posted by scigirl:
From the alumni pages at Harvard:
<a href="http://whitepages.med.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/WebPhalum" target="_blank">http://whitepages.med.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/WebPhalum</a>

Name: Dr. Isaac Vaughn Manly

Specialty: Surgery, Certified

Year of Graduation: 1946

Um, 1946? Yeah, he probably didn't learn much about evolution in 1946 - when was DNA discovered again?

scigirl

That link is broken, scigirl. I would be interested in looking at it. I found his quote on a recent article on ankerberg or something, so he is obviously talking about his recent research or whatever you want to call it.

xr

scigirl · 02-25-2002, 11:29 AM

yeah I noticed.. .too lazy to fix it.

It's just the harvard medical school alumni directory info. What you see in my post is all you would see at the link. Like a white pages entry- that's all there is.

But do a google search on his name and you will find stuff.

scigirl

ex-robot · 02-25-2002, 12:03 PM

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Originally posted by scigirl:
yeah I noticed.. .too lazy to fix it.

It's just the harvard medical school alumni directory info. What you see in my post is all you would see at the link. Like a white pages entry- that's all there is.

But do a google search on his name and you will find stuff.

scigirl

Thanks. I found it by putting the base url and searching and discovered basically nothing as you said.

xr

ex-robot · 02-25-2002, 12:06 PM

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Originally posted by tgamble:
"What I have learned in the past ten years of review of recent scientific knowledge of cellular morphology and physiology, the code of life (DNA), and the lack of supporting evidence for evolution in the light of recent scientific evidence is a shocking rebuttal to the theory of evolution...There is no evidence of any kind for this theory." -Dr. Isaac Manly, M.D. Harvard Medical School

Obviously this is wrong. Anyone ever hear of this Isaac Manly? Is the quote out of context or is the guy just ignorant?

I think it may be that he's just a quack.
<a href="http://members.aol.com/dwr51055/tasc/news/january.htm" target="_blank">http://members.aol.com/dwr51055/tasc/news/january.htm</a>

Assumeing it's the same person.

[ February 24, 2002: Message edited by: tgamble ]

Apart from all the speculation if this guy knows anything about evolution, it is the same guy. He is on the board for some Tri Cities for Science in Creation organization or something like that.

xr

Quetzal · 02-25-2002, 12:34 PM

Bingo ex-robot: Dr. Manly is a gen-yu-wine creationist. From the TASC site quoted above:

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Dr. Isaac Manly�s contribution of several hundred copies of the book, Refuting Evolution, has allowed distribution of this educational piece to many desiring knowledge.

Whatever the gentleman's medical training and capability, he is definitely in the I Hate Evilution camp.

Nialler · 02-26-2002, 12:28 AM

I notice that there is some discussion about how/when AIG was formed.

Let us be straight about this: AIG was *created* in six days by God. This Australio-centric theory which proposes that AIG somehow formed from a rock in Australia before evolving into its present form is no more than a "theory".

Show me a parrot giving birth to a donkey and I'll believe you all!!

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02-25-2002, 10:43 AM	#13
scigirl Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Seattle Posts: 4,261	From the alumni pages at Harvard: <a href="http://whitepages.med.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/WebPhalum" target="_blank">http://whitepages.med.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/WebPhalum</a> Name: Dr. Isaac Vaughn Manly Specialty: Surgery, Certified Year of Graduation: 1946 Um, 1946? Yeah, he probably didn't learn much about evolution in 1946 - when was DNA discovered again? scigirl

02-25-2002, 11:29 AM	#15
scigirl Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Seattle Posts: 4,261	yeah I noticed.. .too lazy to fix it. It's just the harvard medical school alumni directory info. What you see in my post is all you would see at the link. Like a white pages entry- that's all there is. But do a google search on his name and you will find stuff. scigirl

02-26-2002, 12:28 AM	#19
Nialler Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Paris Posts: 8,473	I notice that there is some discussion about how/when AIG was formed. Let us be straight about this: AIG was created in six days by God. This Australio-centric theory which proposes that AIG somehow formed from a rock in Australia before evolving into its present form is no more than a "theory". Show me a parrot giving birth to a donkey and I'll believe you all!!

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