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Old 04-13-2002, 05:38 PM   #1
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"Once, when the secrets of science were the jealously guarded property of a small priesthood, the common man had no hope of mastering their arcane complexities. Years of study in musty classrooms were prerequisite to obtaining even a dim, incoherent knowledge of science.

Today, all that has changed: a dim, incoherent knowledge of science is available to anyone."




The dinosaurs have traditionally been pictured as slow, stupid and lethargic beasts (above). Recent thinking, however, suggests that they may in fact have been highly intelligent, active and well-adapted to their environment (below).



<a href="http://www.oz.net/~travis/sms/descent.htm" target="_blank">http://www.oz.net/~travis/sms/descent.htm</a>

There are still differences of opinion about the descent of man. In the past, there have been bitter disputes over what doctrines should be taught, especially in public schools.

Today however, we understand that all theories should be given equal weight and taught side-by-side. Accordingly, we will outline the two schools of thought and demonstrate the advantages that result from this evenhanded approach.

Evolutionism
Evolutionists hold that man arose by the same gradual process as other creatures. This belief follows from the principle that the same laws of nature apply to man as to the rest of the physical world.
The Evolutionist Model (at left) demonstrates how an ancestral "ape-man" could have evolved an upright stance and humanlike physiology. However, it does not explain the tremendous expansion of the intellect and other intangibles that characterize humanity.


Creationism
Creationists, on the other hand, believe that man was created instantaneously by a cosmic powered super-being from another dimension. This belief is based on ancient, heavily retranslated writings taken from badly decomposed fragments of scroll found in a series of caves in the middle-east.

The Creationist Model (at right) explains the advent of human intelligence by ascribing it to divine fiat in the creation of the first humans, Adam and Eve. A major weakness is that it fails to account for the origin of Adam and Eve's daughters-in-law.

There were many "missing links" between the earliest ancestral apes and modern Homo Sapiens. Scientists learn about these extinct species from fossil remains.
Here is an example (at left) of a fossil found near the famous "Lucy" fossil discovery. It is the skull of an australopithecine male, named "Desi" by its discoverers. Another couple, named Fred and Ethel, were found in a nearby cave, but Desi is the best preserved specimen.
Scientists can learn much from a relatively small fragment of skeleton. From this fossil, it was deduced that Desi stood about four-foot seven inches tall, walked with a slight limp, disliked zucchini and was a registered Democrat.

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ROTFLMAO!!, I'm glad I wasn't drinking anything when I saw those pictures and the "exposition" of creationist principles

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Hilarious! I like this chart, note Abel's position.



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I know this book is out of print. Is there anyone out there who has a used copy for sale?

This is definitely one of the classics.
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"One of the mammals' evolutionary advantages was that they bore their young alive. As research has conclusively shown, animals that bore their young dead generally got nowhere."

LOL!!!!!!!

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The Creationist Model (at right) explains the advent of human intelligence by ascribing it to divine fiat in the creation of the first humans, Adam and Eve. A major weakness is that it fails to account for the origin of Adam and Eve's daughters-in-law.
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This is one of the funniest websites I have ever visited! I nearly cried laughing! <img src="graemlins/notworthy.gif" border="0" alt="[Not Worthy]" />
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<strong>I know this book is out of print. Is there anyone out there who has a used copy for sale?
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I doubt it, not at the sort of price most people would pay, at least. It seems to be a collector's item. A search at the wonderful <a href="http://www.abebooks.com" target="_blank">www.abebooks.com</a> brought up three copies, the cheapest of which was $170.

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I rather like this one:



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