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scombrid · 07-03-2003, 08:59 AM

On another message board I frequent this story was posted:

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While having a great day with my 15 year old son in our two scupper pros, a jet ski passed at a reasonable speed with a father and his three year old daughter. Suddenly the father fell off, the kill switch band slid from his wrist and his three year old with her hand on the throttle sped off at 20 or 30 knots. My son paddled toward the father and I raced after the little girl who was headed towards a ten foot wide beach in front of a rock wall at full throttle. If she hit the beach straight on she would plow into the rock wall at full speed. Instead she hit the beach at an angle and rode the ski twenty or thirty feet down the beach coming to a slow safe stop. The jet skis' engine still raced. The father swam to shore faster than Mark Spitz and raced down the beach faster than any sprinter in the last olympics. We reached the girl at the same time. Her father, my son and I had adrenalin pouring out of our ears. The little girl however was non-plussed by it all. She had no idea she had been in a life threatening adventure. Had the accident occured ten seconds earlier the craft would have crushed me or my son or both of us. The little girl wasn't steering the craft, but some force sent it to the only place where she could survive. Until someone proves me wrong, I'll thank God for the miracle.

Which has recieved the following replies.

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every once in a while the hand or voice of God is so apparent it has to be recogenized. When you have one of those episodes it gets to you.
Charlie

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it was her Guardian Angel.

Hand of god? Where? Why pretend that a miracle occurred? Is there any real benefit? I would think that simply learning a lesson regarding PWC safety would do far more good than pretending that a miracle occurred. Where was the hand of god when the driver improperly attached the kill switch?

Vylo · 07-03-2003, 09:07 AM

Send enough children at the shoreline on jet Ski's and I am sure some will make it.

For every time you here about one of these "miracles" you here about another hundred cases where the child is killed, and it is regardless of their faith, religious affiliation, etc.

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his three year old with her hand on the throttle sped off

Shes could steer. Don't underestimate the eye to hand coordination of children. There are children in grade school that are almost equals to fighter pilots in this respect. I do not find it unreasonable to believe that with a little skill and some luck, she could hit the beach correctly. I know I had the coordination to escape from my high chair as a toddler (about the girls age, maybe younger), and in such a way that I made almost no noise from the 3 foot fall involved. I was never injured by this act at all, it was no miracle, I intended to do it in that fashion.

ImGod · 07-03-2003, 10:20 AM

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While having a great day with my 15 year old son in our two scupper pros, a jet ski passed at a reasonable speed with a father and his three year old daughter. Suddenly the father fell off, the kill switch band slid from his wrist and his three year old with her hand on the throttle sped off at 20 or 30 Knots.

The three year old was driving before her father fell off. He was riding in the back and she had her hand on the throttle. If he would have been in front she would have been holding on to him and gone overboard at the same time.

If she managed to stay on somehow, she would have had to move forward on the seat to operate the throttle and speed off from an idle. I would be pissed at my kid if they left me like that in the water.

She may have been the designated driver.

Godless Dave · 07-03-2003, 10:32 AM

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The little girl wasn't steering the craft, but some force sent it to the only place where she could survive.

"Some force" indeed - like wind or currents.

Spaz · 07-03-2003, 11:08 AM

Aw c'mon, they can do better than that. Have a guy fall from a 50 story building and live or something, this is ridiculous, there's no guiding hand of god needed here.

Biff the unclean · 07-03-2003, 11:15 AM

It's interesting that there is all this talk of God and not about Lawyers. What was he doing with a three-year-old on that thing to begin with? Who rented it to him knowing a baby was going to be on it? If the kill switch came off his wrist the jet ski should have stopped dead in the water, who disabled it?

Spaz · 07-03-2003, 11:20 AM

Ya know, reading that again, it seems as if god is one of those fake superheroes that wants an ego boost so he plants his own rescue. He makes the kill switch not work, then glory he saved the child!! How about making the kill switch work eh? Would've saved a lot of trouble...

Biff the unclean · 07-03-2003, 11:30 AM

To me it sounds like a case of infanticide that went wrong. When the kid came out without a scratch the "Perp" practiced a little misdirection. "Quick look at God everybody, don't look at me. Let's have a big hand for God the hero! Hooray!!!! Pay no attention to my motives, I'll just tread water over here out of sight."

One for Sorrow · 07-03-2003, 04:57 PM

A few years ago, I was watching a story on the news about a tornado that had struck a town and killed a few people. A baby in a carseat was ripped from the car but landed several yards away unharmed. Another child, who was two or three years old, was ripped from her mother's arms and killed. My fundy grandmother was watching it with me, and said it was like an angel had picked up the infant in the car seat and gently placed him on the ground.

So, what were the angels doing when that other baby was killed?

It always amazes me that fundies can attribute the good luck of the one child who manages to survive something like this to god's mercy, and completely ignore the fact that children that are just as innocent have been killed.

07-03-2003, 05:31 PM

Yesterday I was chatting with a few friends at another internet forum I frequent, and we had been discussing God for the past few days. The talk turned to the Holey Bable...er, I mean Holy Bible, and one of my friends wrote something to the effect of:

"A while back, a pope was translating the Bible [my friend neglected to mention which pope, what time this happened, what language was translated, etc.] and he did a terrible job. The next day, he was dead. Coincidence?"

07-03-2003, 11:15 AM	#6
Biff the unclean Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: an inaccessible island fortress Posts: 10,638	Call the cops It's interesting that there is all this talk of God and not about Lawyers. What was he doing with a three-year-old on that thing to begin with? Who rented it to him knowing a baby was going to be on it? If the kill switch came off his wrist the jet ski should have stopped dead in the water, who disabled it?

07-03-2003, 11:30 AM	#8
Biff the unclean Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: an inaccessible island fortress Posts: 10,638	You have the right to remain silent... To me it sounds like a case of infanticide that went wrong. When the kid came out without a scratch the "Perp" practiced a little misdirection. "Quick look at God everybody, don't look at me. Let's have a big hand for God the hero! Hooray!!!! Pay no attention to my motives, I'll just tread water over here out of sight."

07-03-2003, 04:57 PM	#9
One for Sorrow Regular Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: lost Posts: 218	these stories really piss me off A few years ago, I was watching a story on the news about a tornado that had struck a town and killed a few people. A baby in a carseat was ripped from the car but landed several yards away unharmed. Another child, who was two or three years old, was ripped from her mother's arms and killed. My fundy grandmother was watching it with me, and said it was like an angel had picked up the infant in the car seat and gently placed him on the ground. So, what were the angels doing when that other baby was killed? It always amazes me that fundies can attribute the good luck of the one child who manages to survive something like this to god's mercy, and completely ignore the fact that children that are just as innocent have been killed.

07-03-2003, 05:31 PM	#10
Ad Astra Guest Posts: n/a	Ah, the stories they tell... Yesterday I was chatting with a few friends at another internet forum I frequent, and we had been discussing God for the past few days. The talk turned to the Holey Bable...er, I mean Holy Bible, and one of my friends wrote something to the effect of: "A while back, a pope was translating the Bible [my friend neglected to mention which pope, what time this happened, what language was translated, etc.] and he did a terrible job. The next day, he was dead. Coincidence?"

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07-03-2003, 11:08 AM	#5
Spaz Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: 6th Circle of Hell Posts: 1,093	Aw c'mon, they can do better than that. Have a guy fall from a 50 story building and live or something, this is ridiculous, there's no guiding hand of god needed here.

07-03-2003, 11:20 AM	#7
Spaz Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: 6th Circle of Hell Posts: 1,093	Ya know, reading that again, it seems as if god is one of those fake superheroes that wants an ego boost so he plants his own rescue. He makes the kill switch not work, then glory he saved the child!! How about making the kill switch work eh? Would've saved a lot of trouble...

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